After careful thought and much internet seardching i cam to the conclusion for another £300 it was worth going for the carbon roubaix especially as it was exactly the same groupset as the sectour. The specialized shop at Harrogate not boneshakers but the official shop, kid in a candy store comes to mind, staff very helpful and couldn't be more helpful. The bike is still to be picked up but the pre pickup experieence was excellent. Ok they didn;t through in any extras which I was hoping for after spending £1649 on a bike but you can't get everything, glad I was measured for the bike as I was told by another bike shop that I should go for the 56 not 58, again thankyou specialized. www.specializedconceptstore.co.uk