UFO's - do they exist?

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Originally posted by Tom H on 14 May 2008 3:01 PM


Now, here is my question: do aliens and UFO's exist?



Aliens - No
UFO's - Yes

Wouldn't it be quality to have one of them spaceships in Flight of the Navigator?
(But without the stupid voice of the spaceship that keeps on acting hard and saying "compliance"

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Originally posted by Lee2008 on 15 May 2008 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Tom H on 14 May 2008 3:01 PM


Now, here is my question: do aliens and UFO's exist?



Aliens - No
UFO's - Yes

Wouldn't it be quality to have one of them spaceships in Flight of the Navigator?
(But without the stupid voice of the spaceship that keeps on acting hard and saying "compliance"

Just found this .......... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fjv7k54YTa0 & feature=related
I'd love to give "Max" a few digs me like.

From So. California-USA, 3015 posts

Originally posted by Lee2008 on 15 May 2008 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Tom H on 14 May 2008 3:01 PM


Now, here is my question: do aliens and UFO's exist?



Aliens - No
UFO's - Yes



If there are no aliens, please explain UFOs?

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Originally posted by Bozinator on 16 May 2008 4:30 AM
Originally posted by Lee2008 on 15 May 2008 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Tom H on 14 May 2008 3:01 PM


Now, here is my question: do aliens and UFO's exist?



Aliens - No
UFO's - Yes



If there are no aliens, please explain UFOs?

An Unidentified Flying Object, or UFO, is any flying object or phenomenon that cannot be identified by the observer. Various studies show that after investigation, the majority of UFOs are usually identified, and are relabeled IFOs or Identified Flying Objects.
Many people automatically jump to the conclusion that UFO means spaceship when it actually means ANY object that is unidentified.
UFO's that remain UFOs after proper investigation are what I'm assuming you are referring too Bozinator.
Despite the remaining unexplained cases, I believe UFO sightings could be explained by prosaic explanations such as misidentification of natural and man-made phenomena (either known or still unknown), hoaxes, and psychological phenomena such as optical illusions or dreaming/sleep paralysis (often given as an explanation for purported alien abductions).
What appears interesting is that UFO sightings depend on the technological environment of their times. In the late 1800s, UFOs were described as airships larger, sturdier and more maneuverable than those commonly used. As planes were developed UFO descriptions involved those of planes with speed and maneuverability greater than in any known design. Nowadays UFOs are described as having many shapes, but are still described as performing maneuvers that no known contemporary aircraft is capable of doing.
I understand that there have been tens of thousands of UFO sightings over the past one hundred years or so, there is even sightings that have been recorded from hundreds of years ago, which makes me think they might be something in it, but why haven't the aliens landed and properly introduced themselves to the world? If they are so advanced they can travel 1000s of light years, why can't they take the trouble to pop in and say hello?
The question "Is there life anywhere else" is probably THE question every single person would want to know the answer too above any other question, and will remain so forever. The universe is a pretty big place and its expanding. There are more stars in the our galaxy than there are grains of sand you can fit in an olympic sized swimming pool, and there are more galaxies than grains of sand you can fit into an olympic sized swimming pool in the milky way, so on reflection I think it would be naive to assume we are the only ones here, they most probably is "Life" somewhere else in the universe, It may be simple bacteria or it could be similar to earth where millions of life forms coexist on the same planet, but I do not for one second believe they fly around in spaceships and visit Earth.
Lets say us humans have been here on earth for 100,000 years. 100,000 years isn't really a long time when your talking about light years and space, so the chances of aliens visiting us in this 100,000 years is very slim in my opinion. Will we still be around in another 100,000 years? I don't think we will, so we only have a window of 200,000 years to be visited by aliens. (It would take a human 650,000 years to travel to our nearest star Proxima Centauri in a spaceship traveling at 35,000 mph) When you think the dinosaurs roamed the earth 150million years ago, 200,000 years doesn't sound very long at all.
Another way of putting it, is lets say the big bang happened at 00.00 hours it is now 06.00 hours the dinosaurs lived a tenth of a second ago!

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Oh my days!!!, this guy is the next Patrick Moore, aliens aren't visiting Earth.......PERIOD

From So. California-USA, 3015 posts

Originally posted by RegBooster on 16 May 2008 6:47 PM
Oh my days!!!, this guy is the next Patrick Moore, aliens aren't visiting Earth.......PERIOD

A few questions.
1. What does an environmentalist have to do with UFOs?
2. Who are you refering to when you say "this guy"?
3. Thousands of eye witnesses around the world and through time are dead wrong about what they saw, but you have the definitive answer?

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Originally posted by Bozinator on 16 May 2008 8:46 PM
Originally posted by RegBooster on 16 May 2008 6:47 PM
Oh my days!!!, this guy is the next Patrick Moore, aliens aren't visiting Earth.......PERIOD

A few questions.
1. What does an environmentalist have to do with UFOs?
2. Who are you refering to when you say "this guy"?
3. Thousands of eye witnesses around the world and through time are dead wrong about what they saw, but you have the definitive answer?

Answers
1. You Americans really need to look outside of your own Continent every now and again, Sir Patrick Moore is arguably the most prominent astronomer in the United Kingdom today or of any age, despite his advancing years,(85)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore
(doesn't take too much investigation to find this page on the www)
2. I was impressed with Lee2008's impressively articulate response to your numerically bullet pointed response, so just to clarify the "this guy" reference was directed at Lee2008, as I believed he raised some thought provoking viewpoints.
3. OK, hands up, I don't have the definitive answer because it will always remain impossible to catergorically dismiss the existence of other beings out there somewhere, until humans learn how to travel at much imcreased levels of speed then it will remain impossible for humans to conduct searches of the Universe, so childish reponses of 'prove it' can always be offered to this debate. I do however believe that NO alien lifeform has ever visited Earth.

You do seem to be antagonising folk some what, maybe we should discuss what your agenda is?

From So. California-USA, 3015 posts

I googled Patrick Moore and the first page of results was all on this guy.

Patrick Moore

Sorry.

As for my agenda, it's only that people would have somewhat of an open mind of things that can't be explained. There are just too many reliable witnesses to things in the sky that can't be explained to dismiss the possibility. You said that aliens aren't visiting Earth......PERIOD Fine that's your opinion but the thread was started by asking what we thought. I only made three previous posts, the first to state my opinion, the next two to ask viable questions. I don't believe I've been disrespectful or antagonistic. Lastly, the discussion of the problems of traveling through space are limited by our own understanding of physics in relation to time and space. Who knows what advanced civilizations out there might have discovered that don't apply to what our limited knowledge allows. We base our assumptions on what is currently available to us, such as all life being carbon based. Maybe that isn't so in another part of the universe. Maybe worm holes really do exist, either natural ot "being" made. The fact is, we can't be sure of anything other than we aren't sure of everything.

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Originally posted by Bozinator on 17 May 2008 3:01 PM


Lastly, the discussion of the problems of traveling through space are limited by our own understanding of physics in relation to time and space. Who knows what advanced civilizations out there might have discovered that don't apply to what our limited knowledge allows. QUOTE]

Which explains why nearly 100% of all UFO sightings incorporate the technology of the age(a fundamental part of Lee2008's argument)

From So. California-USA, 3015 posts

"Which explains why nearly 100% of all UFO sightings incorporate the technology of the age(a fundamental part of Lee2008's argument)"


Well, all I can say is that if we humans had the technology demonstrated by some of the more credible sightings by pilots, military personnel, police officers and the general public, I think we'd have used it by now. UFOs fly silent, faster and make extraordinary moves in flight that no human aircraft can duplicate. Lastly, what technology of the age are you implying prior to man's first flight (including lighter than air ships of the late 1800s)? I guess the evidence that intrigues me most are the accounts and drawings that go back to a time before the Europeans came to the new world. Back in ancient Rome and Greece. Back before the written language, depicted on even the cave drawings of the most ancient of our species. That which cannot be explained.