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thepaladin
Posts: 3064
1 Sep 2007 7:48 AM
You have to be careful. While a .177 co2 pistol isn't suited for self defense (barring someone who can place a shot in a 1 inch spot), it can be "accidently" deadly. A few years ago a fire storm got started on news programs when a boy with a Crosman Pumpmaster rifle (about 3 or 4 foot pounds close to a co2 pistol) accidentally shot a friend in the eye. The other boy was down range behind a tree, (where was a parent,) and stepped out just as his friend shot. It did cause a fatel injury. So...I wouldn't plan on a co2 pistol for self defense as a rule, but neither would I be too caviler about someone getting shot with one.
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killib12345
Posts: 724
From: Ireland
4 Sep 2007 8:11 PM
your friend is a fool .
yes it is lethal!!!!!!!! loads of people die every year from air rifle incidents people think that they are not lethal but thats rubbish, a pellet can be as lethal as a rifle of the same calibre if your friend trys this inform his parents .
if the lad cant fight with his fists to defend himself its all a bit sad , mine have got me out of sticky situations six edjits hoped on me if you try reach for a gun waste time loading you will be knocked out and there are not many repeater pistols out there the only thing for that is a bit of grit
its better for him to take up boxing for self defence instead of breaking the law
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thepaladin
Posts: 3064
5 Sep 2007 4:21 AM
If this is a young person (read school age) and I didn't even consider that...tell him that he will get in far worse trouble carrying any kind of weapon than he can imagine. Schools etc. have such a violent reaction to anything that even resembles a gun that he will more than likely find himself out of school on his ear and probably charged with a crime. If it happens to fall under the "feloney" catagory, it could, depending on local laws etc follow him his whole life. If we're talking about a youth....NOT a good idea.
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gamo industries
Posts: 15
From: Spain
22 Sep 2007 3:26 PM
Ok lets get things sorted, i work for Gamo Industries, the leading air gun dealer in many country's, a gamo .177 Co2 gun is more than helpfull in a tricky self deffence situation especially if ur goin up against someone with a knife,baseball bat or even a gun, recomend your friend a gamo pt-90
http://www.gamo.com/?ID=53 & ProductID=137 heres the link, not only does the pt-90 look real its a great semi auto, 8 shot wonder based on the famous HK usp .45 used by tactical forces around the world (including the famous S.A.S and S.W.A.T teams) and with gamo's all new PBA pellets http://www.gamo.com/?ID=53 & ProductID=334 · The first non-lead Alloy Airgun Ammunition
· Increases velocity up to 25% over lead while maintaining “match grade” accuracy. from point blank to 10m it will kill someone instantly (must be a head shot or any other vunerable area) from 11m to 30m it will certainly hurt like hell and will most likely put ur attacker to the ground, anything more than 30m will hurt and stun them for a while unless they are extremely strong. i carry one with me all the time and has certainly proved itself worthy.
Kind regards: gamo industries
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gamo industries
Posts: 15
From: Spain
22 Sep 2007 3:41 PM
sorry in my previous post the links only lead to the gamo web site and not the actual product , here the link to the pt-90 http://www.gamo.com/?ID=53 & ProductID=137 if this one doesnt work go to the gamo.com go to the internation site and the go to catalogue , pistols and find the pt-90. here the link for the PBA pellets http://www.gamo.com/?ID=53 & ProductID=334 if this link doesnt work same goes exect click on ammunition and then find PBA raptor pellets
Kind regards: Gamo industries
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Black Beret86
Posts: 28
From: Hull, England
24 Sep 2007 6:16 AM
I really don't like that at all, some one that works for a gun manufacturer recommending that people not only carry illegal weapons but use them against other people, my god that is totally irresponsible. If this dude is found to be in a public place with a firearm he will be arrested or possibly shot by armed police. I know in the USA it is legal to posses and in some cases carry a real firearm in a public place but that is only if you are in possession of all the correct licenses, but in some states its just a big no no. Now without any kind of license (and I don't think there even is a concealed carry license that applies to air weapons!) this dude is gonna be in big trouble, so if he does carry an air weapon for protection, kick his backside! And to the fella that works for Gamo Industries, if you ain't anything sensible to say, don't say anything at all! 
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gamo industries
Posts: 15
From: Spain
25 Sep 2007 1:41 PM
now i never said they were ilegal did i, all gamo guns come with all the papers and documents you need to make them fully legal and depending on what country and state your from you can carry the weapon with you, i posted a comment on this thread as my own opinion, because i actually carry the certain gun i sugested with me all the time as use for protection so dont take my comment the wrong way. if the guy's friend wants a gun .177 gun for protection i was only doing my job by recomending gamo products
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Black Beret86
Posts: 28
From: Hull, England
26 Sep 2007 10:12 PM
Well I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure that no matter where you go in the USA carrying an air weapon without a license is a criminal offense, and if your gonna go to the bother of getting the correct license you may as well just go all the way and get a real gun. One thing I do know for certain is that in Britain carrying a loaded air pistol for the purpose of protection is a very, very serious offense, it would be called something like Possession of a concealed firearm and would land you with at least 15 years in prison, and if you actually used the pistol against some one you would be looking at an even longer stretch in the slammer. In Britain there is no way around this since there is no license to allow you to carry a gun.
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thepaladin
Posts: 3064
26 Sep 2007 11:50 PM
I would recommend calm at this point. Information is information and we all need to be responsible for our actions. In TN you can get the local carry laws on the state's web sight I'd say the same is probably true in most states. We as shooters are up against it more than most to act responsibly and know what we can and can't legally do. Take the information for what it is and move on. The bottom line here is we simply got an answer to a question. I answered at first to without considering that someone might be planning to do something stupid. I came back then and advised against doing the "said stupid thing". It's all I could do.
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gamo industries
Posts: 15
From: Spain
27 Sep 2007 8:35 AM
Im only trying to get my point across that, YES! a .177 pellet is very lethal to a human. It could leave you with the smallest of bruises or on the contrary KILL YA! so if this guy's friend wants to buy a Co2/air gun for self defence then by all means tell him to buy one, i was simply doing my job by advertising Gamo and in my perpective they are great,reliable and realistic looking guns, they look so real all you would probably have to do is pull the thing on your attacker and he will sh!t him self before he can even say:....... A .177 PELLET IS LETHAL!!!!!
thank you for reading.
Kind Regards: Gamo Industries
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