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“The SA80 is over all not practical. It is indeed...”

Written on: 15/03/2011

The SA80 is over all not practical. It is indeed accurate and can achieve 600m with the susat sight or maybe more. But, you waste precious seconds using it. To cock it you need to turn the rifle on its side, its the only assult rifle where you need to take your finger of the trigger to change from semi-auto to auto, and the gas sometimes escapes meaning the cartridge may not extract and get stuck wich could cost your life. The fire selector is also stiff and it can only be used right handed… Read Full Review

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“Superb weapon, truly superb. It was a pleasure to...”

Written on: 10/01/2011

Superb weapon, truly superb. It was a pleasure to handle, fire and clean. After having my sights zeroed the accuracy was spot on, It was light and well balanced enough to allow me to get a 32mm shoot grouping on the 50m range while stood up with my first 5 rounds. A joy to strip and clean, easy to breakdown and takes only minuets. I'll never want to fire anything else… Read Full Review

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“the sa80's accuracy is remarkable for an infantry...”

Written on: 14/08/2010

the sa80's accuracy is remarkable for an infantry assault rifle the 4x optical scope is standard and really useful. Providing you don't screw around with it, the rifle is adequately simple to maintain. I found it nicely weighted and balanced and i am a fan of the bullpup design as it makes the weapon compact. I would definatly reccomend it and am delighted the British armed forces use it as their standard assault rifle… Read Full Review

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“i serve as a sniper in the royal marines. the SA80A2...”

Written on: 18/07/2010

i serve as a sniper in the royal marines. the SA80A2 is terrible. yes its accurate however to keep the weapon maintained far outrides its accuracy.
handling is terrible as the catches and levers are not where they should be! the wpn's balance depends on what added extra you have on it and it's weight is one of the heaviest assault wpn's out there.
i think it were designed for a one armed, cross eyed chimp!
for what the government have spent on the thing we could all have m4's.
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“Contrary to many of the cadets posting here, I'm a...”

Written on: 14/01/2010

Contrary to many of the cadets posting here, I'm a serving member of the forces in an infantry unit and have had plenty of experience with the weapon system. It's accuracy is outstanding, and the latest batch of upgrades (ACOG, piccatiny mounts, etc..) only add to this. It is also very reliable, providing you look after it properly. Tactically speaking, the bullpup coniguration makes it handy for OBUA and suits the current operational environment. As mentioned, the short length of the… Read Full Review

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“You all seem to be talking about the actual rifle as...”

Written on: 07/01/2010

You all seem to be talking about the actual rifle as opposed to an airsoft replica. So ill base my review on the actual L85 Mk.2 rifle. For those of you 'cadets' you will have used the L84 rifle (a bolt action variant of the L85 Mk.1), this jammed a lot, had a flimsy plastic magazine along with other problems. The overall design however was sound, its small size and good rate of fire made it excellent for Close Quarters Combat (forget about 'not being able to fire' from the left shoulder, this… Read Full Review

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“im another cadet with lots of experience with l98's...”

Written on: 11/11/2009

im another cadet with lots of experience with l98's and l85's(sa80's) and i also agree with the other cadet that the sa80 is very prone to jamming. it also feels horrible to hold due to how short it is and can only be operated from the right shoulder which means u have to expose urself more we looking around cover to your right (i found this out on a field craft course were my blank firing l98 ejected into my eye) it is an awful weapon and we should stuff Nato and go back to the L1a1 SLR. it is… Read Full Review

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★★★★★

“i love the gun. i think people are basing it too much...”

Written on: 19/10/2009

i love the gun. i think people are basing it too much on the first rifle, the original sa80 a1. you are saying its a bad rifle because the first ones had problems.do you know how many problems the m16 had when it was first developed, people still praise it. the modern sa80 a2 is one of the best rifles today.every gun has jamms or stoppages, its enevitable once in a while but the new sa80 has almost none. still not convinced? if the sa80 is so bad, then, WHY IS IT STILL THE STANDARD BRITISH… Read Full Review

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“I have used the heckler and kock SA80 A2 rifle and...”

Written on: 15/09/2009

I have used the heckler and kock SA80 A2 rifle and would say that the only thing that lets it down is that it still jams but not as much as the old model… Read Full Review

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“The Lee enfield- heckler and kock uk L85 A2/ SA80 A2...”

Written on: 28/08/2009

The Lee enfield- heckler and kock uk L85 A2/ SA80 A2 is a good weapon........easy to use and taking apart for cleaning. Had seen some people having trouble with the gas parts but it was due to poor maintenance. Very accurate on the distances it was meant to be used. Although quiet heavy it still a very good alrounder.
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“Great rifle i think the only problem i have found is...”

Written on: 16/08/2009

Great rifle i think the only problem i have found is that after lots of firing the gas parts get clogged with gsr and dust and can lead to jams. However apart from that it is good. L85 A2/ SA80 A2 is easy to nsp and and clean, good rifle… Read Full Review

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“I have used this heckler and kock weapon and in my...”

Written on: 23/07/2009

I have used this heckler and kock weapon and in my personal opinion i think it is great and all the british soldier i have asked like using it and see nothing wrong with it, i look foward to using it when i join the infantry… Read Full Review

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“i am a frequent user of this Lee enfield- heckler and...”

Written on: 27/06/2009

i am a frequent user of this Lee enfield- heckler and kock uk L85 A2/ SA80 A2 weapon, as i have only fired blanks it is a very high rated weapon. best for britan. in a leugue of its own… Read Full Review

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★★★★★

“An excellent weapon, with a great sight. now with a...”

Written on: 01/12/2008

An excellent weapon, with a great sight. now with a raft of add ons and modifications available. Accurate fire
Good rate of fire
Reliable
Compact The only problems I found with this air rifle were that its qwuite heavy and high maintenance… Read Full Review

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★★★★★

“Great accuracy, reliability, and a good rate of fire,...”

Written on: 07/09/2008

Great accuracy, reliability, and a good rate of fire, lightweight, bullpub design. The only bad point for me is the low magazine capacity. Great gun, I've used it several times (with iron sights)… Read Full Review

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★★★★☆

“This Rifle has a really bad stigma, as I'm sure...”

Written on: 05/08/2008 by opium3 (1 review written)

This Rifle has a really bad stigma, as I'm sure everyone has heard the horror storys of this Rifle jamming/breaking easily on operations in Iraq and Afganistan; but my friends in the Army using this reckon there's nothing wrong with it, particularly as a Target Rifle. The only universal down-side to this weapon is that if you happen to be left handed you will break your Jaw as the bullet casing will fly into your face, but regardless of that, it is a very, very pretty rifle. I personally think… Read Full Review

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“A good weapon and easy to use”

Written on: 08/07/2008

A good weapon and easy to use… Read Full Review

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★★★★☆

“I used this rifle and it is ok but it isnt great i...”

Written on: 16/04/2008 by DANNY H (1 review written)

I used this rifle and it is ok but it isnt great i think our army deserves better weapons 2 b honest it is poor in urban warfare because 2 shoot out from cover on the left u expose alot of your body as it can only be shot from right shoulder. i wuldnt take it for f.i.b.u.a (urban warfare) if i had a choice it would be something else all depends on the task at hand 2 what the sumthing else is… Read Full Review

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“I'm a Royal Marine Commando and I love this gun. It...”

Written on: 12/04/2008

I'm a Royal Marine Commando and I love this gun. It has a reputation it does not deserve… Read Full Review

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★★★★☆

“It looks cool, but it has terrible controls.”

Written on: 02/04/2008

It looks cool, but it has terrible controls… Read Full Review

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★★★★☆

“very nice little gun. its British. Very short at no...”

Written on: 21/03/2008

very nice little gun. its British. Very short at no disadvantage to the range of the weapon. It jams a lot though but a good alround gun… Read Full Review

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“SA80 is an awsome gun”

Written on: 19/03/2008

SA80 is an awsome gun… Read Full Review

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★★★★★

“Its a nice gun. easy to handle. after a few times of...”

Written on: 29/02/2008

Its a nice gun. easy to handle. after a few times of firing it. it seems easy to use. and it has because very reliable ever since the upgrade… Read Full Review

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“im a royal marine commando and i love it is very good...”

Written on: 22/01/2008

im a royal marine commando and i love it is very good as an allrounder rifle… Read Full Review

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“i am not to fond of this weapon i like the Heckler and...”

Written on: 12/01/2008 by londonregiment (1 review written)

i am not to fond of this weapon i like the Heckler and Koch G36c or the M-16 with the M203… Read Full Review

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“Lee enfield - heckler and kock uk L85 A2 /SA80 A2 is a...”

Written on: 06/12/2007

Lee enfield - heckler and kock uk L85 A2 /SA80 A2 is a awesome weapon, good range, accuracy and looks mean. Used by British army, so it rules… Read Full Review

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★★★★★

“Overall this is a brilliant rifle and i would not use...”

Written on: 27/10/2007 by Ashhow (1 review written)

Overall this is a brilliant rifle and i would not use any other assault rifle over it, it's a must have for Christmas. I gave it a 5 for value for money as it had to be upgraded to an A2 version costing more money… Read Full Review

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“The SA80 Airsoft Spring Rifle is a very good weapon as...”

Written on: 02/09/2007 by liamr101 (1 review written)

The SA80 Airsoft Spring Rifle is a very good weapon as the British army are currently using it. Very good overall. Good target shooting… Read Full Review

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“I am serving with c coy of the Cheshire army cadets...”

Written on: 06/05/2007 by y03mcgarryj (1 review written)

I am serving with c coy of the Cheshire army cadets and i have used this rifle 2 times i have used the lsw 8 times and i hate it… Read Full Review

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“I'm currently serving with 3 Para and I will tell ya...”

Written on: 09/08/2006 by airborneduke (1 review written)

I'm currently serving with 3 Para and I will tell ya now I much prefer using the US M-4/M-203 combo in Iraq. More reliable, better report and in my opinion better accuracy. The Lee enfield- heckler and kock uk L85 A2/ SA80 A2 is another short change for those of us serving the UK and it really makes me angry. I truly hope Tony Blair and his cronies invest in some decent kit in decent amounts for me and other servicemen over here. It plain infuriates me to think that the French have a better IWS… Read Full Review

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“This "wonderful" rifle, the Lee Endfield L85/SA80, was...”

Written on: 07/06/2006 by Vulcanator (13 reviews written)

This "wonderful" rifle, the Lee Endfield L85/SA80, was brought into service in the 80's to replace the SLR also comes with it an appalling reputation for reliability and usability. Although apparently refined by Heckler and Koch to remedy its faults, the honourable British Armed Forces are stuck with this excuse for a battle rifle.

I do hear that a replacement may be in the "offing" in the near future, for the sake of our armed forces I hope it occurs sooner rather than later. Hopefully it… Read Full Review

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Deadeyedick's Response to Vulcanator's Review

Written on: 07/07/2006

Personally I would like to try the Steyr AUG, This rifle whilst still a bullpup configuration that you seem to have a dislike t,o is a very nice weapon.

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346416_Northernfolk's Response to Vulcanator's Review

Written on: 20/02/2008

Special forces use the c8 (http://www.coltcanada.com/sfw-page.htm) not the m16. <br/>The SA80a2 is supposed to be a fairly good gun, especially compared to the American gun which attracts all kinds of flack.

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337428_Londonregiment's Response to Vulcanator's Review

Written on: 12/01/2008

I hate the bull pup design of the thing i am also a left hander even tho i can fire this thing right handed i would like a stranded design rife like the M16 or something along those lines because the M16 is light rugged and has a a lot of fire power and our special forces use the M16 so why do we not get the same kit?<br/><br/>

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176891_Bombom101's Response to Vulcanator's Review

Written on: 11/10/2006

Bullpup rifles were designed to be compact and have better balance than the standard rifle layout, but to be honest, I've tried both designs and there isn't much difference at all!

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Vulcanator's Response to Vulcanator's Review

Written on: 11/07/2006

Deadeyedick, You are indeed correct, I do dislike the bullpup configuration of rifles for all the following reasons as previously stated in my comments. I did actually mention the Steyr in an earlier post, while a bullpup the Austrians had the smarts to design the weapon to be convertable to left handed use.
As a left hander the L85A1/2 is useless in this regard as it makes no concession whatsoever to left handed use! Also the Aussies had the savvy to reject the L85 and use the Steyr, I have heard no disparaging comments in regards to this fine weapon.

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“The Lee Enfield SA80A2 is a brilliant rifle and one of...”

Written on: 31/05/2006 by The Farmer (46 reviews written)

The Lee Enfield SA80A2 is a brilliant rifle and one of the best in the world, yes the A1 was a joke but this one is brilliant. The improvements have gone down well… Read Full Review

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Vulcanator's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 01/06/2006

The Farmer, I could not disagree more with you regarding the SA80, the comments that I and Hellequin have made are valid and without repudiation.
Your comments regarding the initial problems with the M16 are true, however these problems were fixed in short order and the M16 is now a battle proven weapon.
If the SA80 is such a fantastic weapon, can you tell me why the SAS prefer to carry the M16? I can because-the SA80 is useless!
In regards to saving British jobs, Enfield could have probably made the M16 or any other more suitable rifle under licence. In fact Enfield could have designed a superior weapon system from scratch, wouldn't that be a foreign concept!

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Cman1989's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 08/12/2009

all of you must be chatting about the a1 as the a2 is a brilliant weapons system. i have used it for 2 years without a single stoppage and in these 2 years i think i have only seen or heard of 1 stoppage on any field exercises or range package ive been on. it is also the most accurate assualt rifle at ranges over 300m. yes it has minor issues (such as being designed for right handed people and having no left handed version, making it more difficult for lefties to use, and needing a bit more cleaning then usual, although it does work better after 1 or 2 mags have been put through it). however i know people who have used it in iraq and afghanistan and have put more than 2000 rounds through it without stoppages. so unless you have used the a2 extensively and know you stuff you cant really comment accuratly on it, and if you have and still have problems you must not be looking after it properly coz it is the best rifle for the current situation

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Plunder21's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 14/07/2009

i like the weapon personly i have used it with live ammo and also i know play airsoft and use it in airsoft as well. i also have done some research on both wepons being the m16a4 as well as a brilliant rifle the m16 is it is a more clumsy weapon which i find is to long were the compact barrell of the sa80 is perfect for long range or cqc

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373408_Thefacts's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 12/06/2008

I agree with this review because... he used it

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373408_Thefacts's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 12/06/2008

I've just read all your bickering and i think that you both have a point, but consider that the m16 is on it's A4 stage while the L85 is only on the A2. if you research the M16A1 you'll find that it had the same serious promblems as L85A1. there was a story in Vietnam where a Squad of 12 was under heavy fire and all but one was carrying the m16a1 within 10 minutes all the m16 had jammed. they all survived because the other guy was carrying a M60 and could cover them until support came

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Goldenballs's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 20/11/2007

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<br/>Have you actually fired both weapons with live ammunition? I'm wondering how you base your comparisons.
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Hellequin's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 30/07/2006

The Marines, like the British Army, use whichever weapon the British Government decides to buy. Yes, some of the heirachy of the military get a say but then it&#039;s not them who use it either is it? Most military purchases are political decisions.
<br/>It seems there are quite a few who like the A2 version of the SA80 and fair play to them, personally I wouldn&#039;t be happy trusting it after the trouble I had with (mainly) the first version and also speaking to ex colleagues who now use the A2. Again, that&#039;s my personal choice and opinion but it&#039;s easy for ALL of US to sit here and write about it, the boys and girls out there still don&#039;t have that luxury.

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Vulcanator's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 29/07/2006

Dear Mr. Thegreenfrog, What can I say? You have not read all my posts in detail as your question regarding my personal experiences with this weapon will have been answered!
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<br/>Just to enlighten you, I am left handed so I cannot operate the weapon, unlike a Steyr AUG (excellent rifle) the L85 was not designed for ambidextrous use.
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<br/>Also the Royal Marines like most other units of the armed forces regretfully have to use what they are given to them by the MoD. I can say with reasonable certainty that if the rank and file soldier could choose his desired weapon system-the L85 would not be it!

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Thegreenfrog's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 28/07/2006

Vulcanator, have you ever actually fired or even handled the l85a2? Because a lot of the "reviews" stating "how terrible this weapon is" are made by people who have never touched let alone fired the rifle. And, if it is so bad, why do organisations like the Royal marines continue to use the rifle?

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Deadeyedick's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 22/07/2006

There is also now the capability of a grenade launcher system + tac light and lazer. as a secondary attatchment.

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Deadeyedick's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 14/07/2006

Since my last comment I have gone to bisley and spoken to someone with over 30 years of experience. After handling the SA-80 A2 along with an L85 A1 I have come to the conclusion that the SA80-A2 is a far superior weapon compared to alot of other rifles out there. granted its not the best but it has had over 100 improvements and changes made to it. Now its much much better and people in Iraq, Afganistan and places I&#039;m not supposed to know about have said its a very nice weapon. The accuracy is good in the right hands and the constant jamming problem has been almost completely fixed.

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Vulcanator's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 14/07/2006

It should not take 15 years to correct the defects on the British Army&#039;s primary infantry weapon system. The should save themselves some money and buy a better rifle.
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<br/>Mr. Farmer-it is good to see that you are becoming more enlightened on this matter, you should go try an M16, the superior ergonomics, balance, lighter weight, grenade launcher capability,reliability, aaaah-very nice indeed!

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The Farmer's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 14/07/2006

It has only been going now for about 15 years the M16 has been around 3 times as long and it to was being wrote off at this stage the SA80 is at but after they modified it a few times, over the years it has become one of the best in the world now all the SA80 needs is to find out whats wrong now with the A2 and in a couple of years develop an A3

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Hellequin's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 13/07/2006

Exactly my point Farmer, "Getting there" just isn&#039;t good enough when you have to use these things in real life situations away from training and ranges. British Rail always used to say they were getting there and not many people were happy with the standard of their service either!
<br/>If this weapon really was any good I&#039;d be with you in praising it, along with other bits of GOOD British designed and made kit (Challenger tank, Harrier Jet for example) but the fact remains that it has been so unreliable for so long that the majority of those who have to use it for REAL will never have confidence in it.

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The Farmer's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 11/07/2006

This is not the best weapon in the world but its getting there.

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Deadeyedick's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 07/07/2006

I used an L98-A1, then an SA80 on a military range, (Yes I&#039;m a cadet) and with the small ammount of training I&#039;ve had the SA80 is a pile of sheet! it jammed 5 times in one magazine!! Nothing wrong with the loading because I did it myself, did all the correct procedures, eventually took out the mag put it in my pocket and replaced it with a fresh one, but before putting it into the rifle gave it a good old wack on the palm of my hand to make sure all the rounds were placed propperly.
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The British army&#039;s weapons are pretty useless these days, especially the SA-80 and the L96. the only weapons I think are good are the M249 minimi and the GPMG (FN-MAG), lets go back to the SMLE and work out whats wrong.

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Blamonge23's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 30/06/2006

Trust me guys you have managed to change my mind and to think that a jam in combat could have been the last jam you ever have on any weapon! Fancy that!

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Hellequin's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 25/06/2006

6000 rounds? Blimey, have they developed a new belt fed SA80?
<br>As for the amount of times mine jammed in training, well as I've said all along, the majority of my experience was with the first model and to be honest I lost count of training stoppages. Under fire, once and quite frankly, that was enough to make sure I didn't trust the thing again.
<br>I stand by the rest of my comments too, I still think we would have been better buying the M16 and making it under licence.

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Vulcanator's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 21/06/2006

Mr Farmer,
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<br>I am curious as to what kind of exercise or other military endeavour you were engaged in that expends 6000 rounds!! I am glad to hear that your particular weapon appeared to function quite fine.
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<br>Mr Blamonge23,
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<br>Your previous comment is quite remarkable to say the least, even as Mr Farmer's experience attests to, despite the "apparent" increase in reliability of this rifle, all the other points in my personal assessment of this weapon still stand and cannot be repudiated.

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The Farmer's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 20/06/2006

I put 6000 and something rounds through it in Scotland and then it jammed.

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Blamonge23's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 19/06/2006

To all:
<br>How many times have you had it jam in training?
<br>How many times have you had it jam underfire in combat?

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Hellequin's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 15/06/2006

I rest my case.

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The Farmer's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 13/06/2006

TA for 4 years just passed my special training in Scotland just like David Davis.

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Hellequin's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 13/06/2006

Ahh, you use it weekly... Are you one of those part time soldiers? Or are you in the cadets??

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The Farmer's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 12/06/2006

I use it weekly, and yes it is a secret weapon and if you are insisting the use of drugs then i will take forced action.

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Hellequin's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 12/06/2006

Further to my last comment farmer, I had a quick look at some of your "other work" on here... You didn&#039;t get all of your obviously extensive military experience from the "X-Box" war games by any chance??

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Hellequin's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 09/06/2006

I have 14 years worth of military experience in a front line British Army regiment Farmer. I was involved mainly in reconnaissance and when on "Ops" had to operate way ahead of any normal front line regiment, at times relying on just a very small team of colleagues and, of course, our wonderful SA80s... Does this count in your expert military opinion?? No point getting into a slanging match over this, you obviously like the SA80 (how many times did you use it by the way?) and lots of us don't...

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Vulcanator's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 08/06/2006

Mr Farmer, I do not need military experience to appraise the SA80, there is a wealth of information available to anybody to assess the qualitities of this rifle.
As far as the SA80 being top secret, you must truly be "smoking something", there is nothing in the design and manufacture of this rifle that is not already common knowledge to the countless small arms manufacturers around the world.
Indeed if someone was to obtain this "top secret" weapon, upon close examination they will truly be disappointed!

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The Farmer's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 07/06/2006

I asked people on the inside about exporting but the SA80 A2 is a top secret weapon and for your remark about why the Australians never bought it in the 80s that was because the SA80 was an untested new rifle which like all new rifles was bound to have some problems, just like all great rifles. Or maybe we just didn't want to share our great new rifle. p.s come back when you get some military experience please.

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Vulcanator's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 07/06/2006

Hellequin, Changed my username again, just to be consistent with the airgunforums I subscribe to in the UK. Your comment regarding "The Farmer" is well taken, I just wish he could see some common sense in regards to the SA80.

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Hellequin's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 06/06/2006

Quality comments as usual Muts... Shame they censored you!! I think if the SA80 was REALLY any good then we'd be exporting loads of them. Be interesting to know exactly how many countries wanted to buy it... I fear I'd be able to count them on one hand with digits to spare! I do agree that it is accurate but that's about it, and accuracy is no good if the thing keeps stopping...

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Vulcanator's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 06/06/2006

I think you will find that the SAS were using the M16 before the A2 version with three shot burst capability came out. If you are in the know with the SAS, ask if they would switch to the SA80 if it had three shot burst capability-I think you will find they would not!
Remember the Australian Army chose the Austrian Steyr bullpup configuration assault rifle over the SA80 back in the 80's, I wonder why?

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The Farmer's Response to The Farmer's Review

Written on: 05/06/2006

Huummmm,,,, yes the SAS do not use this that is because they are happy with the m16 and they told me they prefer the 3 round burst which is probably why they don't use the SA80.

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“On 18 October 2001 the Armed Forces Minister, The...”

Written on: 03/02/2005 by blamonge23 (23 reviews written)

On 18 October 2001 the Armed Forces Minister, The Right Honorable Adam Ingram will officially unveil the Army's modified SA80 A2. The facility will run at the School of Infantry in Warminster.

The modification program addresses the reliability of the A2 and it is now one of, if not the most reliable 5.56mm weapon in the world.

The A2 has undergone an exhaustive series of trials. The results of the modification program will be announced for the first time at this facility.

The SA-80 family… Read Full Review

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 22/11/2005

Despite the improvements made to this weapon one glaring omission still exists, namely the fact that this rifle cannot be operated by a left-hander. It is quite ironic that in the modern age of ambidextrous weaponry, the British Army adopts and uses a rifle that can only be operated right-handed.
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<br>Unfortunately, left-handed British soldiers are now taught to shoot right-handed, will they have to learn to write right-handed next?
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<br>I'll take the Austrian Steyr or the M16A2 over the SA80 anyday!

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Blamonge23's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 12/03/2007

Fair comment
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<br/>&#039;it&#039;ll look after you if you look after it.&#039;&#039; i swear that counts for boots too....

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Eddiereme's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 12/03/2007

I&#039;ve served in the active theatres with both the A1 and the A2 along with a few other weapons systems, so i can speak for the actual quality of the revised L85 IW.
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<br/> In short it&#039;s a damn site better, stoppages are rare to never assuming your drills are correct. Mags are a far nicer material and fit with less hassle and rattle.
<br/> Cleaning it is far far better thanks to the blacked out working parts - only need oiling and wiping off to clear of most residue.
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<br/>The original was a lemon, that much is clear, though for so long as you cleaned it properly and always always oiled it properly it worked out fine for the most part [it only jammed twice on me in operations, and once was my fault - incredible how well that teaches you to drill properly]
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<br/>The new version is a fine weapon, and far studier than the original series. I&#039;ve had mine on the line in action and i&#039;ve no worries trusting it to look after me so long as its looked after.

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Blamonge23's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 16/01/2007

I think we're all in agreement that the SA80 should be scrapped, but it ain't all that bad. Reminds me of a story I read in Soldier magazine, where a convoy came under attack from a roadside bomb. One soldier owes his life to his SA80 that stopped a piece of shrapnel from hitting his face. If only the the weapon still worked after the incident!

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Stewmci02's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 08/01/2007

Hope you don't mind civvy intervening. My experience is that the SA80 A2 should be scrapped for the HK G36 or a similar quality weapon. Reason being that if there is a lack of confidence in the weapon, can front line soldiers be expected to carry out their job for fear of a stoppage at the critical moment (nothing ever goes wrong when you are not under pressure)? It has done its job, and a lot of soldiers owe their life to it... I just dread to think how sad it would be if any owe their loss of life to it.

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Blamonge23's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 19/12/2006

Any downward ejection would be alot safer than sidewards both to the user and anyone around him. Empty cases could also drop out between the pistol grip and magazine?

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Deadeyedick's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 18/12/2006

Also, why not make the empty&#039;s fall out of the hand grip? It's baisically in the right place, Next time I&#039;m holding an LSW I will look at it too see if this isn't just mindless gabble from me :D

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Blamonge23's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 18/12/2006

Theres a new combat system out that allows soldiers to look around corners with a camera on the rifle and a headset attached to a hemet. I can't remember the name but this system would be usless if the weapon can't be fired left handed round a corner without getting a face full of brass. As well it would be a complete waste of money that could be better spent on a whole new weapon and training. A point made earlier that it would be expensive and difficult to re train the whole army, unless the basic operation is kept the same, obviousley there would be no real change just basic handling would be different. Good idea with the foreward ejection system!

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Deadeyedick's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 16/12/2006

They could adopt the front ejection system, where the empty rounds are ejected into a tunnel, and then with other empty rounds pushing the older empty's, they fall out of a hole in the front of the stock. There's plenty of room for that I think! They just need to think about it. Until then though, I don't think the British army are going to be much effected if they don't have any left handers in their ranks, do you?

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Blamonge23's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 14/12/2006

It seems the only real solution to the problem would be straight out the bottom, but then the magazine is in the way! dohh

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 13/12/2006

Hogalog,
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<br/>Even as currently designed the "bullpup&#039; configuration does not make this rifle the best for firing round corners if you decide to fire it left handed although I believe it can be done. Any squaddies just back from Iraq care to comment?

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Hogalog's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 12/12/2006

surely from a combat point of view the weapon should be fireable from both shoulders, for shooting round corners etc? Therefore a straightforward ejection port on the left hand side would just have the same problem?

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Blamonge23's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 11/12/2006

I can't really see any reson for there not being a left handed version of this weapon. It would be a dead simple reverse of what is there. I did once meet an officer who had such a weapon, which had been customised by a unit armourer by inverting the bolt and cutting a hole in the left side. God knows how he managed it but would be a good example.

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 11/12/2006

The only problem with an ejected case deflector on the SA80 is the fact that the ejection port is still very close to the shooters face and would probably have little effect, also you may still have some of the gas from the firing cycle to contend with also.
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<br/>The working parts should have been designed for left hand conversion by the user, ala the Styer AUG.

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Hogalog's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 10/12/2006

I am not in the armed forces due too medical grounds, i did try get into the raf regiment. However, i did fire the SA80, the old version, with the air cadets. It jammed a couple of times, and yes it couldn't be used by a left hander. They say the reliability problems etc have been solved so too enable it's use left handed, why not just do the modification that occured too a 14 year old air cadet.... manufacture some kind of deflector to be fitted too the ejection port, that would deflect ejected shells downwards, away from the shooters face? Obviously, i'm just a mere working class brit with a comprehensive school education, surely the designers with all they're expertese must have come up with this idea too?

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 23/08/2006

Like to see the test redone with only left handed shooters!

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Blamonge23's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 22/08/2006

Abit more info!
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<br/>for all those who nock the SA80!
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<br/>Taken from Wikipedia Article
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<br/>In March 2005, the L85A2 was put through its paces against the M16, M4, AK-101, FAMAS G2 and G36E modern rifles. It outperformed all of them in accuracy (even without the SUSATs), reload speed (physically changing magazine on the move and static) and usability in urban and close-quarters combat (because of its shorter overall length and the ability to affix a bayonet). A2 upgraded versions also have a higher muzzle velocity. The AK-101 won reliability on multiple terrain, weather and climatic scenarios. The ranks in the test were:
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<br/>1) SA80
<br/>2) G36E
<br/>3) M16 family
<br/>4) AK-101
<br/>5) FAMAS G2
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<br/>:P

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Blamonge23's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 22/08/2006

Just some info!
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<br/>No there are 8 magazines for the SA80 A1 and A2 there are two new H+K magazines for the SA80 A2 one is for live rounds and the other is specifically for blank rounds.
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<br/>Magazines include:
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<br/>RG magazine
<br/>ACL magazine
<br/>Colt magazines in 20-30-50 round capacities.
<br/>Adventureline magazines
<br/>The Sterling Magazine
<br/>H+K Live magazine
<br/>H+K Blank magazine
<br/>C-Mag has 2 barrels either side ideal for use with LSW&#039;s capacity 100 rounds
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<br/>extra info:
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<br/>Q: What is the SA80 A2 ?
<br/>A: This is the name given to the modified version of the Enfield Weapons System introduced in 1986.
<br/>Q: What has been modified ?
<br/>A: The following have been modified :
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<br/>1. Breech block.
<br/>2. Breech bolt.
<br/>3. Cartridge extractor.
<br/>4. Cartridge ejector.
<br/>5. Recoil springs.
<br/>6. Extractor spring.
<br/>7. Firing pin.
<br/>8. Cocking handle.
<br/>9. Magazine. ( Replaced totally with H+K all steel version.)
<br/>10. Gas plug and cylinder.
<br/>11. Hammer.
<br/>12. Barrel extention. (LSW.)
<br/>13. Barrel. (LSW.)
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<br/>Not to mention the 6 L85 variants:
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<br/>SA08 A1 + A2
<br/>LSW
<br/>Carbine with LSW foregrip Known as the SA80 A2K or L22 A1 (for tankies)
<br/>Carbine with LSW rear pistol grip
<br/>The Cadet GP
<br/>and the now non existant SA80 no.43

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Deadeyedick's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 27/07/2006

I think the SA80 is much improved, its very accurate and doesn't jam much at all with the improvements. But I just can't get along with it, I would like to try the G36, or the STEYR AUG. I tried an M16 which was nice but its abit too long for my liking. Perhaps the new M4 would be a good choice?

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Blamonge23's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 19/06/2006

It's rather obvious that many people feel the SA80 is an inadequate weapon! It's true however the new version is on par with many high quality existing assault rifles. As much as I feel it is necessary for our armed forces to use a weapon of individual nature - it's not that hard to make one that works! Then again its the 'suits' who decide what happens and who shoots what - it's just a shame it's the soldiers of the army being let down!

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246496_Wingnutter's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 09/06/2006

Nice discussion chaps! I myself have not served in the armed forces but do a lot of hunting using high powered rifles and semi-auto rifles too. From experience with those particular weapons there is nothing worse when you get a jam when taking a shot and it always seems to be at the most crucial time. I have 2 good friends in the 42 and 45 commandos and they use the sa80 a2. Both have different opinions, USELESS and MINT! I think a weapon is a personal thing so why not give the lads the options. If they wana use the sa80 then fine but if they don't the m16 can be built. Also its amazing no one has mentioned the most exported weapon of all time the ak47-74. But like you say politics! Personally if I was in the Army I would want the m16. Just seems like the correct weapon.

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Superduke's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 08/06/2006

Hey Farmer, no need to have a pop at Tommy Atkins, he is better than the suits who send him into theatres of war to make do and mend. . .

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The Farmer's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 07/06/2006

The SA80 A2 is by far the great assault rifle ever made. Thank God for BAE and H&K.

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Hellequin's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 06/06/2006

Not really interested in which part of the armed forces you think is best Farmer, the discussion is on the rifle that no other country wants to buy.... wonder why they don't??

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 06/06/2006

Mr Farmer, There is no need to disparage the British Army or the SAS, I hold all the Armed forces of the UK in the highest esteem, it is most regretful that the top brass have deemed to equip them with an inferior battle rifle.
I'm quite sure that if left to the rank and file soldier or marine to determine his weapon of choice, the SA80 would not be it!

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The Farmer's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 05/06/2006

The Royal Marines have tested it and they use it and give it the thumbs up and i would listen to a Royal Marine before i'd listen to some one in the army or the inferior SAS!

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 05/06/2006

Superduke, Back in the 80's when the SA80 came out, the Australian army were reviewing what rifle their infantryman should carry. Normally they tended to go in lockstep with the British Army but it was between the Steyr and the SA80. Guess what? They picked the Steyr AUG - I suspect they are not disappointed.

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Superduke's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 03/06/2006

Well gents,how does the SA80 measure up against the FAMAS,Steyr AUG,or even the Galil?I reckon one of us has some answers.

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 02/06/2006

Hellequin, Great minds think alike!, look at my comments to The Farmers review if the SA80. The Censors on Reviewcentre have changed my username, shame.

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Hellequin's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 01/06/2006

I haven't forgotten that buying the SA80 secured British jobs at all, that was a great comfort to me as I used this unreliable rifle in various trouble spots... As for the fact that the M16 was unreliable too when it first appeared, that may be, but it isn't now. The SA80 is still far from perfect (ask our special forces which they prefer, and yes I HAVE worked with them) and my point is this- Should we really still be expecting our forces to trust this thing just to protect someone's job back in the UK? I think the priorities have been mixed up a little somewhere...

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The Farmer's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 31/05/2006

Well you all go on about the M16 being the best in the world etc well the M16 when it first came out around the time of the vietnam war was even worse than the original SA80, there was frequent incidents of the stock falling off and the weapon jamming. The M16 has been out for nearly 50 years so its bound to have more experience and anyway the SA80A2 was tried and tested by the Royal Marines. The UK Govt could easily just of bought the M16 or M4 but what you people forget is that the SA80 created and secured British jobs.

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Superduke's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 26/05/2006

It sounds as if even the ubiquitous AK/AKM rifle will outperform the SA80. And doesn't the SA80 look like a toy next to a Guardsman on sentry duty? I would give them the SLR. . .

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 23/05/2006

Hellequin, thank you for your comments, I weep for the shooting community in the UK.

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Hellequin's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 23/05/2006

Hi again Dogs... I have to say you're definitely better off in the US for enjoying any sort of shooting activity. It's becoming increasingly difficult here, I'm a member of LERA (LeeEnfieldRifleAssociation) and the only place I really get to shoot is Bisley which is nearly 3hours away. Even legal limit air rifles are coming under more and more scrutiny! I think the government had to be seen to be doing something after Hungerford and even more so Dunblane, but I still think they went about it the wrong way. However thats a whole new topic that could keep us going for weeks! Happy shooting mate, you're in the best place to enjoy it!

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 08/05/2006

Hellequin, I actually did not serve in the Army but I owned an SLR on a firearm certificate in the mid 80's when the infernal SA80 came out. I can certainly attest to what a wonderful rifle my SLR was. It was a shame I had to surrender it after the Huungerford massacre.
I am now glad I live in the US, a climate much more amenable to civilian gun ownership, I look forward in the near future when I can procure an AR15 to compliment the Browining Hi-Power and Colt Commander I now currently possess and carry.
In regards to the poor squaddies who have to learn to shoot right handed-they have my sympathies, perhaps common sense will prevail in the future when the SA80 gets replaced-hopefully.

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Hellequin's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 08/05/2006

Well I've no idea about that one dogs, I joined the wrong arm for SLR.
I was Armoured Recce so initially got 9mm SMG (oh what fun!) and then the wonderful SA80... I've heard nothing but good about the old SLR though and have to say that having fired ground mounted GPMG, I wish I'd had the chance to use SLR too, if only 7.62 had been the calibre of choice!
<br>I know the reasons for choosing 5.56 as a calibre but it was a serious mistake to go for the SA80 instead of M16 or others... I take it you're one of the left handers who suffered?

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 03/05/2006

Hellequin, I'd be curious to know if the washout rate in shooting qualification for left handers increased since the implimentation of this awful weapon compared to the SLR it replaced.

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Hellequin's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 29/04/2006

Agree with everything you say DogsBollocks, politics will always overrule common sense it seems... Eurofighter anyone?
<br>I'm lefthanded too when it comes to writing but lucky enough to naturally shoot right handed for some reason, lots of my mates struggled on APWT with the SA80 due to them being "lefties". I don't care how much it's been "improved" it will never be as good as the others we've mentioned!
<br>Fortunately they never tried to make me write with my right hand, (might have had some comedy value tho) but I'm sure I heard that either the Soviets or the Germans tried this with their school kids at some point in history!

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Vulcanator's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 27/04/2006

Thank you Hellequin on your insightful comments regarding this weapon, the answer to why we adopted it is probably rooted in politics, the desire to have a "British designed" weapon overruled common sense.

When it comes to small arms of the 20th Century, the British have come up as only mediocre in the design of such weaponry, When I think of the small arms carried by the British armed forces over the same time period I can think of all the superior equipment designed and manufactured by the Americans and Germans.

As for the bullpup configuration of rifle, ergonamically it is a disaster especially for left handers. The MoD need to get rid of this ridiculous weapon and replace it with something better.

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Hellequin's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 22/04/2006

Do you work for Lee Enfield or the government by any chance?
Whilst I cannot comment on the "modified" version of the SA80, I used the original for over 10 years with the British army and have to say it was pretty useless, even with meticulous care.
It wouldn't stand up to knocks and being dropped, it clogged up and resulted in stoppages easily and generally wasn't "squaddie proof". I could go on and on but it'd get boring... Why did we waste lots of money on this thing when a near perfect 5.56 personal weapon already existed.... the M16.

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225955_Pistolhunter's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 21/01/2006

Who ever wrote the reveiw should notice that it is Heckler and Koch not Kock. This is just a heads up if you didnt know that and you want to pick one up ok. Easy mistake, we all make them.

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176891_Bombom101's Response to blamonge23's Review

Written on: 18/01/2006

yer im a member of the air cadets and shoot single shot versions of these the l98a1 and as long as you pull the lever all the way back it won't jam but you have the odd anomalyae of a rifle and jams a lot.

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