Center Parcs, Elveden Forest Reviews
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★★★★★
“Amazing, best holiday of my life”
Written on: 04/05/2013
Stunning, full of activities, accomadation fantastic, loved the stay. I would definately recommend it to other families, especially those with children. We were there a week and didn't get bored once. I loved the children's options there. As adults we could book our children into the football or the Snorkelling for 2 hours or so and go off and do what ever we wanted. Amazing service,there are a HUGE range of eating options from American to Italian to Asain and we loved our Culinary... (read more)
★★☆☆☆
“The sub tropical pool ... More artic than tropical !!! ”
Written on: 13/02/2013
The main disappointment that spoilt our visit to Elveden was how cold the sub tropical area was. The pool was not too cold but the air temperature was freezing. We had to leave the pool with the children as they were shivering and being under 2 we felt it was too cold for them to stay. We have been a year before and it was lovely and warm. We raised this but were told it as -5 c outside and this maybe the reason but have seen a number of reviews and it seems there is a problem at elveden... (read more)
★★☆☆☆
“eleveden forest”
Written on: 29/12/2012 by deblit50 (2 reviews written)
woefully lacking. standards apalling.general lack of cleanliness and maintenance all round.restaurants over priced and poor value.sub tropical swimming dome under heated definitely not sub tropical. (read more)
★★★★★
“Wonderful Company Lovely Staff Atmosphere Great Value For ”
Written on: 07/12/2012 by ImpossibleMission (2 reviews written)
I've been going for 20 years now I have stayed there about 24 times fabulous place wonderful staff customer services at Head Office really lovely people. I have spent loads there and had some of the most fabulous times in our lives. Twice I went in the first week in July it was so hot it was like St Tropez. You cannot fault this place in any one iota. The facilities, the staff, the villas, the food, the ambiance, is second to none for a UK break. This is quality and comfort at a decent... (read more)
★★★★★
“Fantastic, relaxing and fun at center parcs”
Written on: 21/10/2012
We arrived and were met by a friendly face, we were in our car and she got our keys and ave us directions to our apartment. We pulled up outside and went in to look, we had a great 3 bed en-suites apartment, sauna in the garden which was a bonus! The place had everything u would need to cater for your family, well equipped kitchen, clean bathrooms, gorgeous views! We didn't eat in any of the restaurants as we ate in apartment but we enjoyed a drink in the bar and bowling etc. the pool... (read more)
★★★★☆
“Very good!”
Written on: 24/07/2012 by chriswilliams400 (8 reviews written)
The only gripe I have with Centre Parcs in the price. It is pricey to go there, but when you're there you can fortunately forget that! Elvedon in Suffolk is not the closest park to us, but we were recommended it because my mother struggles with her bike at Whinfell (because of the hills) and on that basis Elvedon is great. The park is very flat and set around a lovely lake with an island in the middle (sporting a mini golf course). We hired a deluxe villa (with hot tub) and were not... (read more)
★★★★☆
“great fun”
Written on: 25/11/2011 by KTPT (1 review written)
loved every minute. took my litle girl there and all had a great time. (read more)
★☆☆☆☆
“bad disappointing ”
Written on: 07/11/2011 by dangelo (1 review written)
accommodation was disgusting. The floor was dirty as was the furniture, full of dogs hairs and crumbs behind the cushions. We spent the first hour cleaning. On leaving and checking under the beds my husband found a dirty pair of knickers that did not belong to any of my family. On the Friday evening we booked for a Sunday carvery at 5pm. We turned up only to be told that they had sold out. I pointed out that the menu stated roast dinners were served until 9pm only to be told this was a... (read more)
★☆☆☆☆
“Beware vindictive cleaning staff!”
Written on: 07/10/2011 by Humperdink
Had a good time but one major let down. Center Parcs is usually our yearly choice of holiday visit but sadly because of the vindictive nature of the cleaning staff we will think several times about going back. We had overall a good time. However when we arrived the accommodation was damp smelly and filthy. We were housed in Maple 526 as a weekend break on 23/9/11. On the Friday we arrived, we noticed the carpet was filthy so we vaccummed, but as we were cleaning we noticed popcorn and food... (read more)
Center-Parcs's Response to Humperdink's Review
Written on: 07/10/2011
Thank you for your post.
I must say that I am very surprised to read your comments relating to the Housekeepers responsible for villa 526. I have sent a copy of your review to the Housekeeping and General Manager's at Elveden Forest so that this matter can be immediately addressed.
I cannot apologise enough for your poor experience and we would welcome the opportunity to talk to you directly regarding this.
I genuinely hope that you will consider making contact.
Kind regards
Clare Seddon
Guest Relations Manager
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Europeantraveller's reply to Center-Parcs's Comment
Written on: 01/12/2012
Dear All
Yes I must say I am suprised too Ive been there 24 times and this is not the norm.
The guest services team are highly professional and will deal with your problem quite fairly and kindly.
This is a superlative outfit, they do have problems, but they are so professional they deal with them quickly.
Customer Services is their number 1 area I would be fully confident in allowing them too intervene here, you cannot go wrong really: They are a great holiday company:
John Vencato
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Carolina77's reply to Center-Parcs's Comment
Written on: 02/12/2012
We had a similar experience with the cleaning staff sadly. We were scared to complain. Won't go back because of this issue here. Such a shame.
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★★★★☆
“Fun Family break”
Written on: 20/09/2011 by Sally-ann (1 review written)
Self catering facilities are not set up for cooking at home. cleanliness of villa not good on arrival but improved after a phone call to guest services! All family members from 7 months to 70 yrs had a good time as there I'd something for everyone. The on site facilities are clean and child friendly all staff were helpful and polite (read more)
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★★★★☆
“Elveden CenterParcs First Timer”
Written on: 22/08/2011 by ASHADE1 (1 review written)
Self catering cabins [reminds me of boys quarters] which are sheltered from view by trees - they look pretty basic from the outside; . The inside is quite nice and clean, not as big as the pictures suggest on the website of course but they are not poky. If you had no plans to ride a bicycle, change your mind, you will need one (quite enjoyable after so many years of not being on one), you can hire or take yours; To hire - children's are £16 and £24 for adults for the duration. There is a... (read more)
★★★★☆
“we all enjiyed”
Written on: 04/08/2011
When we arrivied, the plaec is well cleaned and tidy, the kitchen area is clean, the toilet and shower are well clean as well. The hot water is hot and plenty, we have 7 people to shower one by one but no problem. Only things for my self is the matress just too soft. Overall , we all very happy to stay. The resturant is nice , the food is ok .The pancake house was not too good, on the menu said that they will use nice icecream (Movpick),but they only use normaal icecream ( my shop use... (read more)
★★★★★
“A Refreshing Break.”
Written on: 04/07/2011 by keith.jacobs
As first-time visitors we were exceptionally impressed by the Quality,Presentation,Cleanliness and Facilities of the Accomodation,(Cedar Lodge),which puts many 4 and 5 star Hotels we have visited in the past to shame. We were a family of two Grandparents, a Son and two Grandsons aged 3 years and 5 years.Everyone of us in the party had a great time, cycling,walking, swimming,outdoor activities,eating,etc.etc., what more do you need on a Holiday? Was anything wrong? well, yes....the Maid... (read more)
★★★★★
“Centerparcs elveden forest June 2011”
Written on: 19/06/2011
Recently got back from a 4 night stay at centerparcs elvedon forest. First time I had ever been to centerparcs and I was very pleased overall with the accommodation and whole resort. The subtropical swimming paradise really fives you a feeling of being abroad and my son loved it! While we were there a child fell over and banged their head and the staff responded brilliantly! We stayed on a new style woodland lodge and I woul definitely recommend paying the little but extra for one as they... (read more)
★★★★★
“First time at Centre Parcs and not disapointed!”
Written on: 18/06/2011
WE stayed in a 3 bed executive lodge at Elveden as the newer style ones didnt have enough bathrooms. The villa was a good size and the bedrooms were a good size too with the baby cot in our room and still plenty of room to move around, ensuite to all rooms only prob was that the rear room backed onto next doors patio so was a bit noisy for our lil un. The villa backed onto the forest where we were greeted by muntjacs (reindeer as lil one called them) ducks rabbits and squirrels galore. The... (read more)
★★★★★
“Center Parcs: Perfect long weekend”
Written on: 18/06/2011
We spent a long weekend at Center Parcs to celebrate my boyfriends sisters birthday. Despite the typical British weather of rain, little bit of sunshine and more rain! We had a great time. The accommodation was modest yet comfortable and clean. We booked well in advance so it was reasonable price and one of the better lodges. The lodge was based about 5 minutes bike ride from the village centre, so it was easy to access the shops, restaurants, Starbucks, the activities and the swimming pool.... (read more)
Waternymph's Comment
Written on: 18/06/2011
So glad you, too, enjoyed Center Parcs. We have now been five times with our family (we're Grandparents) and have enjoyed each one. Sherwood is our favourite, though Longleat is much closer to us. Can't fault them, and as you say, they're just right for a 'British' holiday. Long Live the typical British holiday!
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★★★★★
“Third visit to Elvedon and we still love it.”
Written on: 17/06/2011 by rachelhill (1 review written)
This is our third visit to Centerparcs Elvedon and we think it's fab. Everything is very central. Even though we were in the furthest away villas to the village square it was still a six minute walk/three minute cycle. Quite flat and easily travelling too for my dad who uses a stick. The beach at the Lake is always popular with the little people (we liked the pedalos too) and I took my mum up on an aerial adventure trekking through the trees. Hopefully one day she will forgive me! My son... (read more)
★★★★☆
“First visit to Centre Parcs-Elveden”
Written on: 14/06/2011
So looking forward to our visit to Centre Parcs, after hearing from friends how fab it is. Well it did not disappoint. Completely lovely, even the ducks , geese and goslings tapping on the patio door at 7.30am for breakfast (our fault for practically force feeding them the day before!!). The cheeky squirrel popped into the lounge to see if we'd run out of seed and the deers were breathtaking and so incredibly tame. Our 4yr old was in heaven ! The accomodation was big, we had an executive... (read more)
★★★★☆
“Center Parcs, Elveden Forest”
Written on: 01/06/2011 by suzypayne
A great place to for a quick getaway, and involves a great array of choices - if you can afford it. We did find we were choosing certain activities over others mainly on price as we'd already spent a fair amount of money booking it. I would have preferred an all inclusive cost which would allow us to have eaten in the restaurants and used various facilities without worrying about spending even more. However, they don't hide costs and the subtropical swimming paradise, which is included, is... (read more)
Guest's Response to suzypayne's Review
Written on: 05/06/2012
Lovely photos. Looks and sondus like you had a great time. The villa looks gorgeous!!In the 8 years I've been with my husband we've been to Centre Parcs 7 times! We first took Charles in October/November 2009 when he was 5 months old then whilst we were there booked our next holiday there, in the same villa, four months later!We only go to Longleat even though Elveden is considerably closer. But it is too close to the In Laws so we'd never go.Its so expensive now that this will be the first year we haven't gone. I'm quite gutted. I loved our tradition of going there.
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★☆☆☆☆
“Centre Parcs Elveden”
Written on: 29/05/2011 by Von17y
The facilites are amazing. So much choice and places to see you cannot fit it all in, which means you cannot get bored. The animals are tame enough to "pose" for photo's while still being wild enough to make you take care when they appear. We saw, ducks, rabbits, geece and even a deer, moorhens and a peacock. Adults and children alike were pointing out the cute and interesting. A full body massage was an excellent start, while the pool was a mixture of relaxing swimming and giggling... (read more)
Guest's Response to Von17y's Review
Written on: 04/07/2011
If a nice break, Why only 1 star?
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Guest's Response to Von17y's Review
Written on: 05/07/2011
I assume 1 star rating is an error as the reviewer had nothing bad to say!
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★★★★★
“Centre parcs, elvedon”
Written on: 26/05/2011 by Helen86 (1 review written)
My partner and I really enjoyed our stay at centre parcs, the facilities were brilliant and the food was fantastic! There's a variety of restaurants and all the ones we visited were lovely!! Especially Bella italia!! The accommodation was awesome and perfect for what we wanted! I definately got the whole woodland experience!! I would definately stay at centre parcs again! The shops were what we expected and the prices in the shops were what we expected too! Overall I couldn't be happier with... (read more)
★★★★★
“Centreparcs is fabulous. Have been several times with...”
Written on: 24/05/2011
Centreparcs is fabulous. Have been several times with family but this time went with the girls for relaxing spa break and it was wonderful. Can't wait to go back very soon! (read more)
★★★☆☆
★★★★★
“WE had an excellent time, there was everything we...”
Written on: 17/05/2011
WE had an excellent time, there was everything we needed for ourselves and our grandson, we are going back in 2 weeks time with our other 2 grandaughters, and really looking forward to it.There is so much to do, that you never feel bored. (read more)
★★★★☆
“Center Parcs @ Elveden offers a great base for a long...”
Written on: 17/05/2011
Center Parcs @ Elveden offers a great base for a long weekend or short week. You can do as little or as much as you wish and don't have to be a "sporty" individual to enjoy the facilities. The swimming is free, which is a real bonus for families and the other activities are pretty fair value for money. The restaurants offer a good selection of food but get very busy at peak times so make sure that you book a table ahead of time.
People with pets are catered for with exercise areas and...
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★★★★★
“Having heard great things about Center Parcs, we...”
Written on: 17/05/2011
Having heard great things about Center Parcs, we booked a weekend break in Elveden over Easter and had a fantastic time. The accommodation was brilliant; clean, comfortable, full equipped and close to all the amentities. The kids loved it - they enjoyed the freedom of being able to cycle safely around the parc, meeting up with friends and going swimming or to the shops.
The Aqua Sana spa was amazing. The staff were very friendly and the atmosphere so tranquil and relaxing, that I wish I had...
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★★★★★
“Center Parcs at Elveden was amazing, we have two...”
Written on: 15/05/2011
Center Parcs at Elveden was amazing, we have two toddlers and there was lots to do at a high quality style park - go for it! (read more)
★★★★★
“WOW, FANTASTIC,PEACEFUL,AMAZING PLACE TO VISIT,GOOD...”
Written on: 14/05/2011
WOW, FANTASTIC,PEACEFUL,AMAZING PLACE TO VISIT,GOOD VALUE. PLENTY OF ACTIVITIES TO DO AND A WIDE VARIETY OF PLACES TO EAT. ALL THE STAFF ARE EXTREMELY FRIENDLY AND HELPFUL. EVERYWHERE IS CLEAN AND TIDY NO MESS. I REALLY LOVED THE FACT APART FROM WHEN YOU ARRIVE AND DEPART FROM YOUR HOLS NO CARS ARE KEPT ON SIGHT. A HOLIDAY PLACE OT TO MISS ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT. (read more)
★★★★★
“Another great Center Parcs weekend! ”
Written on: 12/05/2011
Another great Center Parcs weekend!
Took Granparents for first time, they thoroughly enjoyed too.
Loved the ABBA night at The Venue - great value for money and entertainment. Beautiful scenery, queued to get in initially, once on site, crowds seem to disappear. Where does everyone go? Peaceful, sunny, comfortable villa - fantastic beds. Slept like logs!
Would return again, just remember to pre-book your activities, don't leave it to chance, you'll be disappointed.
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★★★★☆
“me and my family love centerparcs we go 3times a year....”
Written on: 20/04/2011 by mummylovesholidays (1 review written)
me and my family love centerparcs we go 3times a year. we travel from lincoln and find a lovely welcome alwyays.we love it and love the restaurants but can be pricey,accomadation is always clean and comfy.woodlands are very good.swiming is amazing our fave is the rapids,and 2outdoor pools and 4big slides and 2little babie slides,the baby swimming pool is themed pirate and is lovely for my kids to play in.we love the playgrounds for also my kids too play in,and we love the activities.the spa... (read more)
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★★★★★
“Excellent family weekend. Good value for money and...”
Written on: 12/04/2011
Excellent family weekend. Good value for money and everyone in a wide age range in our group of 10 had a wonderful time. Cleaanliness of accommodation and village excellent. Better than expected quality of everything.
More signs and more toilets would have been useful. Some shade on the beach area would have been appreciated and 1 bedroom accommodation with kitchen would suit us better. Overall FANTASTIC!
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★★★★☆
“Stayed from a Friday until Monday at Centre Parcs in...”
Written on: 31/03/2011
Stayed from a Friday until Monday at Centre Parcs in Elvedon, exactly what the doctor ordered. Had a great time, with great facilities and accomodation. (read more)
★★★★☆
“Weekend break at Center Parcs, Elveden can start at...”
Written on: 29/03/2011
Weekend break at Center Parcs, Elveden can start at 10am on Friday and end at 12 midnight on Monday. The activities are countless and vary in prices. There really is something for everyone whatever your age. We enjoyed it mostly because it is such a family oriented place. There is childcare and activities in the form of 'The Timeout Club' and a babysitting service. We used the club for specific experiences for the children - cooking and fairy academy for the older two - both 3 hours, both... (read more)
★★★★★
“very relaxing holiday full of child friendly animals,...”
Written on: 20/03/2011
very relaxing holiday full of child friendly animals, everything was lovely pretty big could get lost few times very uch enjoyed it (read more)
★★★★★
“Had such a great time! well worth the money! We stayed...”
Written on: 12/03/2011
Had such a great time! well worth the money! We stayed in the basic accommodation and it was by far much better than I thought it be. There is so much to do(at extra costs) and is suitable for everyone. The paradise pool is fantastic and the food is good. I would recommend buying some food shoping etc before you get there because the shop is a bit expensive, but it does have everything there that you would need, you can also rent dvd's from it. We Will definitely be going back again! (read more)
★★★★★
“Excellent family holiday, plenty to do both in and out...”
Written on: 04/03/2011
Excellent family holiday, plenty to do both in and out doors, accommodation good standard with a range of facilities to meet your needs from basic to executive, on site supermarket well stocked with good variety and local produce, have been going to Elveden Forest with my family of five for over 20 years and have seen it develop and improve along the way, I have spent three christmas breaks here with my family and am planning again for 2011 as we find the activities and general christmas... (read more)
★★★★☆
“We went to Elveden for a mid week break last June. I...”
Written on: 28/02/2011 by Hanzippy (1 review written)
We went to Elveden for a mid week break last June. I had previously been to both Elveden and Longleat 4 or 5 times as a child and my sister and cousins and I loved it! Centre Parcs held some very happy childhood memories for me so I could not wait to go again now I was a good 10 years older!
This time I went with my boyfriend & another couple. We arrived in time to check in to our accommodation which was a normal comfort villa near to the plaza. The bedrooms were much nicer than I remebered...
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★★★★★
“I first visited Centre Parcs 3 years ago and we have...”
Written on: 15/02/2011
I first visited Centre Parcs 3 years ago and we have returned one or twice a year sinse. I like to think of it as the middle class Butlins or Haven and although it is quite expensive, it is well worth the money for the peaceful surroundings and lovely, clean accomodation. We usually try and book out of season when the prices come down quite alot and hire bikes for the week. There are lots of activities available at extra cost but there are also plenty of shops, coffee shops, resturants to... (read more)
★★★★☆
“We have visited Elverden the same time for the past 4...”
Written on: 26/01/2011
We have visited Elverden the same time for the past 4 years. Overall our weekend break was brilliant fun. Party of 16 so hard not to have a good time. The swimming pool is great fun for all aged children. All activities were booked before we arrived and went without any problems. Drinks in all bars are more expensive so be warned but this would not stop me visiting in the future. I wouldn't recommend The Dining In (Take Away delivery) the food is poor. Hucks Diner had excellent service and... (read more)
★★★★★
“Centerparcs is brilliant. Look at the brochures, check...”
Written on: 26/01/2011 by futcher76 (1 review written)
Centerparcs is brilliant. Look at the brochures, check reviews online, read between the lines, decide if you will pay what it costs and go (or not). Other reviewers on here tend to be a little harsh about what it is like, and we will all have a negative aspect or other at some time.
Yes, it is expensive when you are there but you don't have to pay for loads of activities. Walk, run, sit, read, chat, make picnics, ride bikes and enjoy the pool! In the evenings walk some more, see the lights...
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Raykeen's Response to futcher76's Review
Written on: 05/02/2011
I found this review very helpful because...its exactly what i plan to do!!! i have 2 young children (under 3) so they will be tucked up asleep by 8.30(hopefully!!) so we want a home from home break where we can enjoy our own company and fully bond as a family without the 7-7 hours of usual weekday worklife!!! this sound perfect! except im no poet!!....... Ray
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★★★★☆
“We went for our first Centre Parcs experience...”
Written on: 21/01/2011 by Cookies0422 (1 review written)
We went for our first Centre Parcs experience beginning of Jan and I have a few tips for other first timers. Take plenty of bird seed, we had ducks, squirrels, rabbits and geese waking us up in the morning for their breakfast!! Take some board games or cards for the evenings. It is expensive to eat out so have main meal at lunchtime as its cheaper and just a snack in the evening. We arrived at approx 12:30ish expecting to drive straight in but it took us 1/2hr just to get into the... (read more)
★★★★☆
★★★★☆
“Centre Parcs Elveden is a rural, ventures holiday...”
Written on: 30/12/2010
Centre Parcs Elveden is a rural, ventures holiday park. Offering a unique range of activities, restaurants, and a great environment to make memories.
Centre Parcs' prices of accommodation dynamically change through out the year. Prices are cheaper in school term times, and dynamically change in school holidays. Activities are deer, limiting the fun.
I was rather disappointed in the standard of accommodation, which follows the name executive - the windows hadn't been cleaned, nor the...
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★★★★★
“Great for midwinter break to get away from TV and PS3...”
Written on: 30/12/2010
Great for midwinter break to get away from TV and PS3 between xmas and new year. Not a cheap holiday option but you do get alot for your money. Essential to book sport/leisure activities and restaurants before you go - these fill up very quickly. Villas warm and cosy even in the snow. Entrance to sub tropical swimming pool with waves,flumes etc is included and was the reason we went. Added in a few bookings (at extra cost) for badminton, short mat bowls and ten pin bowling and had plenty to... (read more)
★★★★☆
“just returned from elveden for christmas have been...”
Written on: 29/12/2010
just returned from elveden for christmas have been visiting regularly since 1993 do really enjoy holiday but found restaurants and drink quite expensive this time. But all in all a enjoyable break (read more)
★★★☆☆
“i think center parcs is not worth the cost but have...”
Written on: 18/12/2010
i think center parcs is not worth the cost but have enjoy myself going with my family for the past 13yrs .........but not sure i shell return next year as there is not much to do there in the evenings (read more)
★★★★☆
“3rd visit and as always really enjoyed it. However, a...”
Written on: 17/12/2010 by jamie4010 (1 review written)
3rd visit and as always really enjoyed it. However, a real letdown this year was the amount of cars driving round, many of them staff cars or vans not good in dark with kids in tow.
The horse and carriage ride was ok, but not worth the amount they charge as it went up a road and then back down it, did not really live upto the hype online.
Otherwise really enjoyed.
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★☆☆☆☆
“Once again Center Parcs Elvenden has sadly failed to...”
Written on: 12/11/2010
Once again Center Parcs Elvenden has sadly failed to live up to expectations. We were confident that this time would be different given that the concerns we catalogued after a previous visit had supposedly been noted. And given that we purposely upgraded to a newly refurbished Woodland Lodge, supposedly a better class of accommodation, to avoid the tired and grubby, so called, Comfort Lodges.
But it was not to be; where to start?
. The kitchen cupboard doors were hanging off at various...
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★★★★★
“THE RAPIDS WERE AWESOME! BEST PART OF THE TRIP. STAYED...”
Written on: 27/09/2010
THE RAPIDS WERE AWESOME! BEST PART OF THE TRIP. STAYED IN THE RAPIDS PRETTY MUCH ALL DAY. SO FUN! THE AMERICAN RESTAURANT WAS THE BEST ONE THERE. I HAD THE RIBS AND THE STEAK :) BOTH VERY GOOD :) (read more)
★★★☆☆
“ center parcs is good for families safe non car...”
Written on: 30/08/2010
center parcs is good for families safe non car environment but take lots money everything costs loads swimming pools could do to stay open longer for older children as nothing to do at night much , bowling alley in bar but need to book it a month before you arrive or no chance of getting on at night also surprised considering cost of place at the state of the tables in the bar , each night we went i had to ask staff to clean table as generally full of glasses and definitely not seen a wet... (read more)
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Charleyp's Response to deblit50's Review
Written on: 13/02/2013
Agree wished we seen your review before we booked we visited in January and the pool area was not at an acceptable temperature... We had to take our son out as he was shivering. Disappointing