Huoniao HN125-8 125 Reviews
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★★★★★
“So far so good”
Written on: 06/07/2012 by alcarphone (2 reviews written)
Not had a problem with this bike at all. It drives smooth and I actually think the stock tyres are ok. I've not had any incidents due to the tyres. I did contemplate buying some along with my bike, but good job I didn't as the ones that come with the bike are perfectly sufficient for the roads I ride the bike on. The only downside I can think of is the sidepanels have cracked. This is probably because of my weight. I am around 16 stones. This hasn't stopped me from getting more than... (read more)
★★★★☆
“Second one of these little crackers.”
Written on: 07/06/2012
Just purchased my second one of these - bought first one 4 years ago. The first was brilliant - was working fine when I sold it - howevever it had done 22,000 miles and given the number of miles I have been doing I decided to replace it - I was so happy with the first I replaced it with the 2012 model from Learner Legal.com - the same company I used for the first purchase. firstly let me tell you about the differences - the first one of these I purchased came in a box, you had to put on... (read more)
Guest's Comment
Written on: 26/06/2012
Hia - yes try Rampdale (you can google it). Cheap and specialise in Chinease motorcycles.
Oh - and make sure every now and then you get your chain re-tensioned. You wont regret the buy.
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Pippin123's Comment
Written on: 26/06/2012
Hia - Yea try Rampdale (just google it). They specialise in insuring Chinease bikes. Alternatively join the owners club (yes there is one - again just google) - they have an exhaustive list of insurers who cover these. Many companies may not have them listed on there internet applications but can find the bike if you phone them and give you a quotation.
Other than this enjoy. For what you pay these are fantastic little bikes that are fun to ride.
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Carllittler's Comment
Written on: 26/06/2012
cheers for the help guys, tried rampdale and a few others as suggested, in the end got an ok deal through bikesure! cbt tomorrow cant wait to ride it! cheers again!
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★★★★☆
“Seriously good”
Written on: 02/03/2012
Just to add the same really as the other reviews. Had this bike a year (bike in a box purchase method). As one of the other reviews mentioned if you purchase this way rather than through a dealer, take your time preparing before first ride. Dont just assemble and ride off - use WD40 and get at the moving parts - use WD40 on the cut of switch on the side stand - this is really the only major fault with these bikes as moisture gets in and cuts the ignition - the WD40 basically waterproofs... (read more)
★★★★★
“brilliant”
Written on: 31/01/2012
seriously, steriotype is the only reason why people critisize the huoniao. they think \"what ?? a chinese bike ?? but its chinese\" they dont think about the quality at all. all parts of the bike are verry simular to parts on new honda bikes and is very reliable as long as you change the oil every 100km until you have done it about 5 times just to clean all the shiii.t out because i realized that after a month thing started to go abit wrong, basicly stalling every time i went up a hill but... (read more)
★★★★★
“Can't do better for the price ”
Written on: 23/01/2012
Bought this bike from the guys at LearnerLegal.com around a year ago and it was the best decision I could have made. For the price, I think you will struggle to find a better bike (I paid a little under £700 plus delivery for a brand new unregistered one). Not sure why anyone is comparing it to a Japanese bike as you won't get one of those as cheap and you'll lose far more in depreciation! Mine only gets used for around town but has never let me down. (read more)
★★★★★
“These cant be beaten for price”
Written on: 25/12/2011 by grahammortimer (1 review written)
I bought this 2010 Registated bike through E-Bay for £490 in June 2011 it had 355Km on the clock and was in as new condition. Not been on a Bike for more than 30Yrs and to be Honest very nervous (Dubious) however it made it the 60 Miles home and had it checked over by a Mechanic Friend of mine as it was a Chinese Import for my peace of mind. Insurance was £158 Fully Comp with No NCD, Full tank of Fuel £14.00 that lasts for 3 weeks to and from work 10 Miles each way, Much cheaper than a... (read more)
★☆☆☆☆
“Poor Quality Material”
Written on: 06/09/2011
Anyone who says these bikes are robust and reliable, is talking rubbish. The metal is soft, its put together badly, and doesnt last long at all. Those who praise it only do so because they are jealous of the better manufacturers like Japanese bikes. This bike plagued me for a whole year of having it, falling apart and the replacements costs are 20 times overpriced! They say its reliable, yet the first thing thats reccomended is to remove the sidestand switch, because it fails... My... (read more)
Guest's Comment
Written on: 13/09/2011
I have had none of the problems above.The bike is what it is cheap but worth the money.Looks good,comfortable,smooth and reliable so far.Any bike that is not treated with care will fall apart.If you run the bike in slowly for the first 500 miles and then take care of it with regular oil changes you cant loose for the price.Jealous of the Jap bikes? lets be serious these bikes are copies of old jap bikes and are a 30 year old design and alough the crome and paintwork wont last if you dont cover with oil to protect it are great value for money.Lets face it,if you buy one and run it for 5 years you can still get a couple of hundread back now thats cheap motoring!
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Mikethebike2Go's Comment
Written on: 02/03/2012
I can only comment on my own bike. Had no problems at all. Perhaps you have experienced a Friday afternoon model as very few people here share your experiences.
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★★★★☆
“This is a lovely bike,not really in to sports bikes so...”
Written on: 16/05/2011
This is a lovely bike,not really in to sports bikes so this was the perfect choice. Handling is fantastic a real dream to ride,you do find that your having to go straight in to 5th gear after going in to 4th,but the riding of the bike is great. Very comfy and easy to ride it'll do 60mph at a push, but it's not a sports bike its a cruiser,so if its speed your after this isn't the bike for you,if you want something to learn on and something to build confidence then this is the bike. (read more)
★★★★★
“I saw this bike going cheap on Ebay and thought i...”
Written on: 13/05/2011
I saw this bike going cheap on Ebay and thought i would temp fate and buy a chinese bike. All I can say is that THIS chinese bike is very good. Never failed me yet. easy to modify and very comfy. Not the fastest bike on the road but i have fitted a 17t front sproket for good cruising at about 60-70mph and still get 128mpg.
If your unsure, theres a Brilliant owners club and forum with lets of help with modding, servicing information or with just general chat. Would I buy again? definatly!!!...
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Guest's Comment
Written on: 24/06/2011
people have told me to remove the baffle's from the exhaust and adjust the tappets , good idea ?
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Skar's Comment
Written on: 12/08/2011
Brought? Do you mean bought?
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★★★★☆
“Good runner, aslong as you look after it, if treasured...”
Written on: 07/05/2011
Good runner, aslong as you look after it, if treasured properly it can sevrve you and get you around for years to come, take care when repairing as once broke, repairing is a risky job. 100 MPG, cant moan there, easily modified. Parts are not premium so suseptable to rust, sliding, wear/breakage, but coated in oil and kept under a roof to be taken out in summer is a fine way of looking after it. (read more)
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★★★★★
“As other owners have said, was put off by everyone...”
Written on: 22/04/2011
As other owners have said, was put off by everyone saying "dont buy a chinese bike, there c--p". but ask them "have you ever owned one" and 9 times out of 10 they have not. This bike was cheap, easy to build and just as good and just as fast as any more well known bikes. By one, look after it and it will go for years. Be safe and happy biking. (read more)
★★★★★
“I bought this bike nearly 4 years in a crate built it...”
Written on: 06/02/2011
I bought this bike nearly 4 years in a crate built it myself done all my own servicing, this bike has never let me down good runner, round trip to work and back over 50 miles only battery been replaced reccomend this bike to any body who wants a cheap bike to get around on. (read more)
★★★★☆
“All in all a good bike, having owned one for two...”
Written on: 24/08/2010
All in all a good bike, having owned one for two years, it's never let me down. True there are a few teething problems, but these can be easily resolved with an hours work overall. There are plenty of upsides; It's cheap to run, cheap to insure and if you look in the right places, easy to get parts for (Shameless plug, but they've earned it! - I personally use chinesemotorcyclepartsonline.co.uk, who specialise in Chinese bikes and usually get them to you next day). The main downsides are... (read more)
★★★★★
“Considering the price I paid for this machine in...”
Written on: 14/08/2010
Considering the price I paid for this machine in comparison to better known Japanese bikes I am disappointed by the almost total lack of problems so far experienced. The only thing against it I have noticed is that you must be careful not to over fill the petrol tank as it has a tendency to leek all over your crutch. I did a lot of research before I risked my money on one of these Chines bikes and I must say it's paid off if you take note of the various comments from people you can save... (read more)
★★★★★
“Great looking commuter/cruiser bike, very comfortable...”
Written on: 13/08/2010
Great looking commuter/cruiser bike, very comfortable ride, superb economy (100mpg), good quality and very cheap. Just needs to be maintained with some TLC.
Very good service by Learner Legal and great support by the Houniao owners forum members.
What more could you want when starting out on two wheels.
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★★★★☆
“Bought the HN125 in Jan this year when snow was about...”
Written on: 17/07/2010
Bought the HN125 in Jan this year when snow was about so never used it till mid feb it started on third kick not bad.
Now the weather good been useing for all of June and July all seems ok had to get the first service done £70 seems a little steep for a oil and spark plug change and and adjust chain.
This is my first bike and im not complaining it seems ok.
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★★★★★
“A nice cheap bike, great for commuting and the odd day...”
Written on: 05/05/2010
A nice cheap bike, great for commuting and the odd day out. No real problems but dont expect it to last 20 years as it tends to rust a bit too easy if it rains, needs cleaning frequently. I think its a nice sporty cruiser style and it looks good on the road if you like posing (read more)
★★★★★
“I am new to the bike scene although in my early...”
Written on: 01/04/2010 by petenick (1 review written)
I am new to the bike scene although in my early fifties, having not wanted to spend a great deal on a bike I have been thrilled with the value for money and as yet she starts first time every time and would recommend to anyone that so long as you don't want a speed machine and are happy up to 60MPH (unless you are going downhill) then this is the machine for you. (read more)
★★★★★
“What can I say??? £770 for a new bike delivery and...”
Written on: 20/03/2010 by marmite40 (2 reviews written)
What can I say??? £770 for a new bike delivery and registration on a new "10" plate!!!
Had mine in the crate,
took a day off work to build it as I thought it would be a long job but it took less than an hour to put together!!!
So for the rest of the day I was just looking around it and thinking WOW!!!
All my mates are impressed can't actually take her out yet stil waiting for my reg number but I live in a small village so a tickle around that has been called for.
I really cant wait to...
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★★★★★
“Having had this great little bike for two years now...”
Written on: 18/03/2010
Having had this great little bike for two years now and covered about 7000miles all I can say is WOW! you dont get much for 600 quid but I got to say it is fantastic for the money and extremly reliable! I see the post saying his bike was rubbish but to be fair to the bike...If you were not sure about how to do the routine maintainance and general checks or you bought it in the crate and didnt really have a clue how to put it together competently you should have had someone build it for you!... (read more)
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★★★★☆
“Have owned this bike for about 6 months now, and I...”
Written on: 16/03/2010 by SteveCB (1 review written)
Have owned this bike for about 6 months now, and I have to say the Huoniao HN125-8 is a great little runner!
At first I was a bit put off by the amount of people saying don't touch a Chinese bike, it will fall to bits etc. but I took the plunge and got one and am glad I did.
I bought it from LS Imports (cypruspounds on eBay) and it was delivered quickly and in good condition and assembling it only took a few hours and was a lot of fun.
However their aftercare leaves something to be...
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★★★★★
“Took me nearly six months on research to make the...”
Written on: 14/03/2010
Took me nearly six months on research to make the decision this would be my first learner bike reasons being i need it all in registered and insured for under a grand.After a year do i regret a big no its be perfect for my needs just keep the side stand switch greased up nearly 100mpg used it in all weathers. (read more)
★☆☆☆☆
“AVOID AT ALL COST that is my advice to you, you will...”
Written on: 18/02/2010
AVOID AT ALL COST that is my advice to you, you will regret buying this bike at some point believe me I've had this bike for about 2 years now and wish i never bought it.
first day i had this bike and took it out for a spin side stand switch fell off leaving me stranded had to call someone to pick me up not happy but when i removed that OK it ran OK for about 3 months but the electric start stopped working so i had to use kick start went ok for a bit but then went to kick bike over it...
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Rogerborg's Comment
Written on: 03/03/2010
I found this review not helpful because... the reviewer makes no mention what, if any, checks or maintenance he performed on the bike, its mileage, or the conditions under which it was stored or ridden. Given that he didn't repair or replace the starter, I'd have to diagnose a diet of poor maintenance and abuse.
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★★★★★
“If you took the trouble to look for reviews of the...”
Written on: 03/02/2010 by davidqc (1 review written)
If you took the trouble to look for reviews of the Huoniao HN125-8, you may be interested in who makes it!. URL:
http://www.dihaomotor.com.cn/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/GeneralContentShow.html?GeneralContentShow_DocID=c373e9047afe16c48f6a9d7485026b96
Awesome. Just like the bike! :-D
If you are thinking of a new Japanese 125 (now made in China) for the extra £2,000, forget it! Spend a bit of it on some extras like crash bars, and good quality protective biker clothing, helmet and...
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★★★★★
“I have had this bike for nearly a year now its just...”
Written on: 22/12/2009
I have had this bike for nearly a year now its just really very good.The only niggle i have had is the side stand switch in the rain just keep it well greased.I am geeting just shy of 100mpg.I have it serviced every 3,000 just oil filter and new spark plug. I can not moan bought it new for £700.Oh and i recently added a top box this just makes carry day to day stuff so much easier. (read more)
★★★★★
“Well what can I say...What a fantastic little bike and...”
Written on: 23/11/2009 by Kingmatt1981 (1 review written)
Well what can I say...What a fantastic little bike and extremely good value for money. Really comfortable ride, good handling and very easy to maintain and service. I have owned mine for just over a week and have covered almost 400km already and just love it. Plug and oil changed upon getting the bike home from picking it up. NGK plug installed and Castrol 4T part syn oil put in and runs really sweet, especially after fuel mixture is adjusted. Starts on the button every morning and... (read more)
★★★★★
“Had this bike for just over a year used it four das a...”
Written on: 23/11/2009
Had this bike for just over a year used it four das a wwek with out fail.
Cost to run has been cheap got to confess only had the oil changed for first service with plug change.Changed the spark plug cap to a NGK one about three quid the old metal one was playing up in the rain.
Well worth th money and is comfortable to ride i used my for a ten mile trip
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★★★★★
“The visual quality and finish of the Huoniao HN125-8...”
Written on: 19/11/2009
The visual quality and finish of the Huoniao HN125-8 is impressive, as is it's size for a 125. The ride is superb, even with the stock tyres (in the dry), and sooo comfy. For £1,500 I would be over the moon, but for £599 + £75 reg/road fund it is just incredible. I did change the stock plug to NGK though, just to be sure. :-)
Perhaps earlier machines were of lesser build quality (mine's June 2009), but I've not encountered bolts shearing (folk shouldn't use car wrenches on bikes!) -...
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★★★★★
“I operated three of these machines on my training...”
Written on: 17/11/2009
I operated three of these machines on my training fleet they are used six days a week 50 weeks of the year they have covered nearly 12,000 miles and i can honestly say they have never let me down.I have just sold them now and replaced with three more new ones they are perfect for my needs with the added bonus of a gear indicator for my students.Maintance is simple just oil and spark plug. (read more)
★★★★★
“Probably one of the best things i have bought of the...”
Written on: 09/11/2009
Probably one of the best things i have bought of the net.It looks so much better in the flesh than picturs on the screen.I dont know how they sell them for only £600 the build takes approx 90 minutes and the instuctions are in English a real bonus.Took it in for its first service nothing needed apart from the normal oil and spark plug the mechanic was well impressed he says its built around the Honda CM125 CUSTOM. (read more)
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★★★★★
“Probably one of the best things i have bought of the...”
Written on: 09/11/2009
Probably one of the best things i have bought of the net.It looks so much better in the flesh than picturs on the screen.I dont know how they sell them for only £600 the build takes approx 90 minutes and the instuctions are in English a real bonus.Took it in for its first service nothing needed apart from the normal oil and spark plug the mechanic was well impressed he says its built around the Honda CM125 CUSTOM. (read more)
★★★★★
“Probably one of the best things i have bought of the...”
Written on: 09/11/2009
Probably one of the best things i have bought of the net.It looks so much better in the flesh than picturs on the screen.I dont know how they sell them for only £600 the build takes approx 90 minutes and the instuctions are in English a real bonus.Took it in for its first service nothing needed apart from the normal oil and spark plug the mechanic was well impressed he says its built around the Honda CM125 CUSTOM. (read more)
★★★★☆
“What a great litle bike.starts everytime and runs n...”
Written on: 20/10/2009 by Davers200 (1 review written)
What a great litle bike.starts everytime and runs n rides sweet upto around 60mph.I am so pleased with it I have set up a owners club for everyone.www.huoniao-owners.co.uk.is currently under construction so please keep checking back.I hope to get alot of info on there.pics.videos and a forum for all discussion.would appreciate anyones support and ideas thanks Dave (read more)
★★★★☆
“I bought my Huoniao HN125-8 in a crate because I...”
Written on: 28/07/2009 by Rogerborg (2 reviews written)
I bought my Huoniao HN125-8 in a crate because I wanted a project bike, i.e. an unreliable temperamental piece of junk that I would have an excuse to spend hours stripping down and rebuilding for the pure greasy fingered pleasure of it. I've been sorely disappointed though: this has turned out to be an infuriatingly robust and reliable bike, and amazing value for the price (£549 + £99 delivery + £70 registration and road tax).
I've managed to self inflict some damage on it, stripping the...
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★★★★★
“Had my Huoniao HN125-8 125 for just over six weeks...”
Written on: 19/06/2009
Had my Huoniao HN125-8 125 for just over six weeks now. Its just come back from first service nothing to report had the spark plug and oil changed, garage could not believe I paid under seven hundred quid for her brand new. Looks bigger than a 125, very good mpg, has kick start but I prefer the electric start. (read more)
★★★★★
“Had my Huoniao hn125 for nearly a year now no probs...”
Written on: 16/06/2009
Had my Huoniao hn125 for nearly a year now no probs had the first service done £55 and the next service £50 great value for money.DVLA took two days to register mine (read more)
★★★★★
“The Huoniao HN125-8 125 is a great bike for what it...”
Written on: 08/05/2009 by finnyyrw890 (1 review written)
The Huoniao HN125-8 125 is a great bike for what it needs to do it aint a super bike just a great runner (read more)
★★★★★
“The Huoniao HN125-8 125 is overall excellent value for...”
Written on: 21/02/2009
The Huoniao HN125-8 125 is overall excellent value for money,i am surprised there are not more of these bikes about,
i feel a lot safer on mine than on a twist and go type scooter.
i commute 20 miles or so every morning on it and enjoy the journey.i would reccomend one to anyone,just make sure your registration docs are' spot on' if you are registering one new(local dvla will help if asked)
an ideal bike to do your cbt or full bike test on
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Rogerborg's Comment
Written on: 30/04/2009
The HN125-8 is not suitable for sitting an A2 test, since the manufacturer only claims a top speed of 85kpm. An A2 test requires a bike with a rated speed of 100kmh. You may get lucky, but don't be surprised if you go through the whole test, then get given an A1 license.
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Rogerborg's Comment
Written on: 18/05/2010
Ignore the previous comment. As of March 2010, the DSA list the HN125-8 as an A2 bike, suitable for sitting a proper test on. Huzzah!
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★★★★☆
“Overall this is a very good bike, once I'd fixed the...”
Written on: 17/01/2009
Overall this is a very good bike, once I'd fixed the ignition problem (the CDI unit wasn't that waterproof) it ran and ran and ran, even for 6 weeks without an oil change.
I covered over 12000 miles on mine and I enjoyed every minuet of it rain or shine it wouldn't let me down.
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★☆☆☆☆
“The metal is the worst alloy I have ever come across....”
Written on: 16/12/2008
The metal is the worst alloy I have ever come across. So far I have had the bike for 4 months and the back brake pivot point has snapped in half and then once that was mended, it snapped again in a different place! I've driven out 8 miles from home only to find that the damp air shorted out the side stand switch, which left me stranded in the middle of nowhere. (read more)
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★★★★★
“Great bike runs sound had its first service cost £60...”
Written on: 05/12/2008 by paul gordon (1 review written)
Great bike runs sound had its first service cost £60 I ride to and from work every day a 24 mile round trip and at weekends and I polish the chrome every 2 days and spray it with 2 in 1 oil I can saftley say I have had no problems what so ever with the bike just looking for an owners club to join so if you know of any, add a comment to this review! (read more)
Davers200's Response to paul gordon's Review
Written on: 20/10/2009
Hello mate I also own a huoniao and I think they are great litle bikes so I have just started to set up a owners club for all the huoniao owners.the web address is www.huoniao-owners.co.uk.keep checking back as it will be under construction for few weeks but I hope to get a lot of usefull information on there and a forum for all discussion and galleries.should be good hopefully can get a lot of support and ideas from other people thanks dave
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★★★★★
“Nice little bikes for the money would recommend one a...”
Written on: 03/12/2008 by twowheelsonly (1 review written)
Nice little bikes for the money would recommend one a used even better as if it is running ok it means that it will run for a lot longer! (read more)
★☆☆☆☆
“I've owned this bike since may and it's been hell all...”
Written on: 11/09/2008 by GC190491
I've owned this bike since may and it's been hell all along. i've taken it back to the shop 6 times, the owner of the shop now knows me on 1st name terms lol. the electrics ( indicators, brake lights, main headlights ) only work when they feel like it, the kick start has always been seized, it's far too light which makes cornering far too easy (my scooter was heavier!!) it goes mental in the rain and starts trying to throw you off at every moment, and the carb has just broken and is costing... (read more)
★★★★☆
“I've had the Huniao HN125 about 9 months & now all the...”
Written on: 09/08/2008
I've had the Huniao HN125 about 9 months & now all the glitches are fixed it's a good solid bike. You need to keep it clean & keep on top of the corrosion. All is good for me. (read more)
★★★★★
“Purchased this 9 months ago, only just started riding...”
Written on: 28/07/2008 by barneszilla (2 reviews written)
Purchased this 9 months ago, only just started riding it. The DVLA has introduced new legislation regarding the certificate of conformity, CHECK THAT YOURS IS UP TO DATE BEFORE PURCHASING! If you do your fine! If you dont, you cant register is without paying an extra £75, going to your nearest VOSA and getting a very intricate test, which you will fail on a small zip wire on the fuel pipe line and the front mud guard needs a small line of rubber guard to slip over the rough edge at the... (read more)
★★★★★
“Fantastic starter, first time every time, if freezing...”
Written on: 27/07/2008 by maxmally (1 review written)
Fantastic starter, first time every time, if freezing cold or mildly warm it's still just one press of the button and away she goes. I live in Oxford uk and I picked up the bike about 100 miles away and I must say I had a great time riding back. Well I could write a book on the good points alone so best now I stop and go riding. A good all rounder wouldn't swap her for the world (or the bike). (read more)
★★★★★
“Looks like a version of the GS125 engine. Very smooth...”
Written on: 20/07/2008 by miketherebelmc (1 review written)
Looks like a version of the GS125 engine. Very smooth and sweet, and easy to handle and manoevre. Good looking bike of its' type. Very good value for money. A smashing introduction to motorcycling on a budget without having to buy a well-used Japanese bike for the same money. (read more)
★★★★★
“I've only had my Huoniao HN125 for a week but as it...”
Written on: 25/06/2008 by demonsyth
I've only had my Huoniao HN125 for a week but as it goes its an absolutely awesome bike. It starts every morning no problem and gets me to work. all in all its an absolutly great bike and is a really good starter 125. it just needs a few ajustments to make it perfect. But then again nothing is perfect. (read more)
★★★★★
“I think its a good bike, I insured this with Rampdale...”
Written on: 20/06/2008 by chrisdd (1 review written)
I think its a good bike, I insured this with Rampdale for £275 but this price was because it was not registered, max speed (the fastest I have every been on it before I ran out of road) 65mph which is okay I suppose. Overall 9/10 due to the side stand. (read more)
★★★★★
“Had this bike running for over a year and previous...”
Written on: 09/06/2008 by Triskell00 (1 review written)
Had this bike running for over a year and previous owner since 2006 and have only done minor things appart from that last minute added side stand switch which I would recomend removing! (read more)
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Carllittler's Comment
Written on: 25/06/2012
hi, just bought a second hand one, and very happy with it so far, (lookin out the kitchen window at it), i just dont know how to insure the thing as most sites dont recognise the make!! have you any suggestions seing as its your second one?????