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★★★★★
“I have the AA S410-SL Extra FAC .22cal and it is a...”
Written on: 29/06/2009 by CBR400RR (1 review written)
I have the AA S410-SL Extra FAC .22cal and it is a very good gun for the money Great fit and finish, looks and feels great in your hands, the walnut stock has very nice checkering. The blueing is very well done, and the side lever is very easy to use and works very smooth. The gun is very accurate and you can put pellet after pellet into the same hole with ease. (read more)
★★★★★
“Air arms 410 classics are really good got 410 up too...”
Written on: 04/12/2008 by jason399
Air arms 410 classics are really good got 410 up too 25ft lbs by putting a heaver sping in and valve and drilling the transfore port to 3 mm can get it up too 30+ ft lbs very easy i have done about 10 airarms even a airarms 200 too 17 ft lbs you can adjust the grub screw on the side to turn it up and down for the power just by the kit from terry robb from essex brilliant
i have tuned up carrer 707 mk 3 to 50ft lbs and bsa superten to 32ft lbs.hw 80 to 25 ft lbs but remember your shots will...
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★★★★★
“I have the air arms s300 it,s doin 22.ftlb it,s...”
Written on: 29/09/2008
I have the air arms s300 it,s doin 22.ftlb it,s nocking every thing out 100 plus yards rabbits ..pigeons.. squirrel..and so on.the gun was 12 ponud wen i got it n only thing i av done is the f.a.c hammer spring . got frm t.w.chamber in the s300 were the pot is there is a brass oller nut in side the is a screw wot stops the air goin thought it av took the screw out n thats y now it ..its so ard at the 22fltb so nx is the firing valve then drill the port hole to ....3Mil then shud do close on... (read more)
★★★★★
“I got aa s300 it,s doin 22ftlb....100 plus yards...”
Written on: 29/09/2008 by bigdoll12
I got aa s300 it,s doin 22ftlb....100 plus yards rabbits.. pigeons..squirrels.. plus any thing els it,s a cracking rifle got the tuning hammer spring frm t w chambers and took the screw out the pot in side the cylinder (read more)
★★★★★
“This weapon and the hw97k are the best i have when...”
Written on: 20/08/2008
This weapon and the hw97k are the best i have when going to decide which one is best they are both precise but the hw97k is best for hunting rabbits except the fact that it weights 4kilos anyway this weapon is best for shooting targets so buy wht u need for wht u need xD :) (read more)
★★★★★
“This is my first air rifle. Having done much research...”
Written on: 04/08/2008 by david987 (1 review written)
This is my first air rifle. Having done much research I decided to buy it. (Got a good deal from Kibworth). My son finds it easy to use and makes our shooting look like we have been shooting for a while. (read more)
★★★★★
“I've never had a air rifle before and ive always...”
Written on: 28/07/2008
I've never had a air rifle before and ive always wanted one and this seemed one of the best, I love it! seems such a shame the seal has gone because now im worried what else might go wrong! I've noticed someone else had the same problem one here and they re-charged it and it was fine so I re-charged it to 190 bar and its still leaking. Going to the shop tomorow to get them to have a look at it. (read more)
★★★★★
“A great gun, very nice piece of kit mines a 410...”
Written on: 30/03/2008 by cddenton
A great gun, very nice piece of kit mines a 410 carbine easy to use and light too, new style filling valve is a little awkward (read more)
★★★★★
“I've had my 410e for about a year now and I've shot...”
Written on: 18/07/2004 by ragkar (1 review written)
I've had my 410e for about a year now and I've shot perhaps 5000 pellets through it. It just keeps getting better and better. Right now I'm averaging .310 inch error over 25 shots at 38 yards and I expect that to improve as I get a quality bench and bench rest. I like the ability to improve my accuracy with more attention to detail.
The gun has the Pomona power mod but I am so pleased with the chrony results that I haven't touched it.
I've done extensive pressure fill testing using JSB...
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Pipesmoker's Response to ragkar's Review
Written on: 08/12/2004
Does anyone know someone who owned AA 410 and HW100? I really hope someone can make a comparison between these two.
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Chatty's Response to ragkar's Review
Written on: 23/11/2005
my friend has a s410 and can hit a pellet hole up to forty yards with 10 shots using super h points .what is the best pellet you prefer in your s410
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218960_Clackaberry's Response to ragkar's Review
Written on: 29/11/2005
when you fill your s410 classic what happens if you don't cock it before you fill it up does it do anything to the seals
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Ragkar's Response to ragkar's Review
Written on: 03/01/2006
On the 410e, which is essentially the same as the classic, you need to cock it on the initial fill from 0 psi in order to overcome the spring pressure. Otherwise the gun's air chamber just won't fill. There is no seal problem here.
After the gun is filled you must be very careful to have a magazine in the gun if you dry fire it. Otherwise you might blow the o-ring. Replacement o-rings are about 15cents each from mcmaster.com It's not difficult to get the salespeople to throw in a few free o-rings with your purchase.
Budget on spending $200-400 for a quality scope and rings. I recommend the Bushnell legend or 4200 elite series and BKL rings.
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282763_Dafont's Response to ragkar's Review
Written on: 21/03/2007
Thanks for this great review and your research to generate the info.
<br/>DAF
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Zipolv's Response to ragkar's Review
Written on: 12/05/2007
hi, has any one bought stuff from www.westarms.com brfore, I want to buy an airgun from them , but not so sure about their service, thanks
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Billtwo's Response to ragkar's Review
Written on: 24/08/2008
I found this review helpful because... The number of fills with said size tank.
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★★★★★
“In March '04 the S410E box arrived from SS, this...”
Written on: 02/07/2004 by Randy of the Redwoods (2 reviews written)
In March '04 the S410E box arrived from SS, this simple air rifle, in walnut stock with it's long slender pratical lines, is beautiful. My hands rest where the stock is checkered and the stock molds to my cheek comfatably. The 1st shot took place before anticipated as the trigger releases at 1 lb. of pressure; smooth as glass. The retort is quiet and one needs to check his pine 2 by 4s' to realize it's magnum power. JSB pellets are this rifles' soulmate. Though only a 7 lb. gun, I... (read more)
Ragkar's Response to Randy of the Redwoods's Review
Written on: 19/07/2004
Your trigger is a bit on the light side. I'm told that 2 pounds is considered light, though some match rifles go to 4 ounces. Seems like you're having magazine indexing problems. I have the same problem with my three AirArms yellow cover magazine. But no such problem with my two Hyteck magazines. I've developed the habit of holding the magazine in with my left hand as I cock the gun. If you have a false feed, e.g. when you pull the trigger before sliding the handle back, you should remove the magazine, index it backwards to an empty slot and then cock and fire the pellet out of the gun.
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Randy Of The Redwoods's Response to Randy of the Redwoods's Review
Written on: 21/12/2004
Borris repaired my 410E, said a small spring was missing inside. It now is easier to cock and there's no need to check whether the mag finished its rotation. Ragkar, before I sent my rifle to be repaired, your advice was taken and proved useful, thank you. The 1 lb. trigger has me spoiled. It was relatively easy to polish the surfaces and reset it, with a lessen travel and keeping the 1 lb release.
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Nzpete's Response to Randy of the Redwoods's Review
Written on: 26/05/2005
Hey Randy, no offence man but you need a woman. That gun sounds almost toooo sexy! How much did it cost you?
<br>Pete.
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★★★★★
“I have had the Air Arms 410E for over two months now...”
Written on: 17/06/2004 by av2011 (5 reviews written)
I have had the Air Arms 410E for over two months now and have been practicing in my backyard. I used high mount rings on the rifle and topped it off with a 8x50 russian range finding scope. My yard measures 85 ft in length. I have shot targets at extremely high wind and still hit the mark. At 3 shots= 3 squirrels clean one shot kills behind the ear the gun speaks for itself. I bought his gun primarily to practice as a substitute for long range high powered rifle competetion out to 300 yrds... (read more)
Av2011's Response to av2011's Review
Written on: 26/10/2006
Since then, the Air Arms 410E air rifle has had the scope and mounts replaced with a 1 inch high mount and a Bushnell banner 6x18x50 AO. Great scope, you can practically shoot the whiskers off a squirrel if you had too. It's so clear and accurate, it's impressive. It enhances the accuracy of the rifle.
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★★★★★
“Very powerful and accurate. With Kodiak pellets I can...”
Written on: 10/05/2004 by pkitzman (1 review written)
Very powerful and accurate. With Kodiak pellets I can shoot 0.5" groups at 50 yards. Managed to shoot a big jackrabbit at 132 yards! (I must confess that I skipped the pellet into him. I thought he was a little closer or I wouldn't have even tried that shot. That doesn't say much for my shooting skills, but it does for the guns power!)
I did have a problem with the horizontal adjustment due to the barrel band. If I sighted the rifle in at 20 yards it would always be off to the right...
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C3Po's Response to pkitzman's Review
Written on: 06/08/2007
Hi, couple of questions:
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<br/>1. What ft/lb output are you getting from your 410E?
<br/>2. What fps are you getting?
<br/>3. What calibre you running?
<br/>4. What weight in grains are your pellets?
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★★★★★
“I got my Air Arms s410 .22 in the classic length, 2...”
Written on: 01/01/2004 by thomo27 (3 reviews written)
I got my Air Arms s410 .22 in the classic length, 2 weeks ago. my first impression was the suprise in the build quality, it really is second to none. I have a Webly fx2000, a Weihrauch HW100, BSA lightning and a Daystate Harrier X. the Air Arm s410 is my favourite due mainly to accuracy. The Daystate Harrier X has better bolt motion and is just as accurate but feels less comfortable. It is'nt the rifle for teens really though, It takes about 30 seconds to up the power to 35-36 foot pound,... (read more)
279693_Berettaman's Response to thomo27's Review
Written on: 24/02/2007
It is impossible to up the power on the a a 400 series rifle to plus 30 foot pounds in 30 seconds, adjustment of the transfer port blanking screw only gives perhaps a total of 14 to 16 foot pounds, this screw is used by the factory to fine tune the rifle to sub 12 foot pound power output,
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Kawasakizx10R's Response to thomo27's Review
Written on: 07/07/2007
Hi Ya,
<br/> Ive got a Air Arms S410 Carbine and want 2 uprate the FT/LB does anybody know how yo do it only when I'm on the farm I'm always too far away from the Quarry and as for creeping up on them ? I'm 15 stone no what I mean, Please HELP me, Regards, Garry.
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C3Po's Response to thomo27's Review
Written on: 06/08/2007
Guys -- it is not appropriate discussing how to up the power of the S410 to beyond the 12ft/lb legal limit in the UK without a FAC licence. This is off topic and should not be in the remit of an online review centre.
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366220_Danblack's Response to thomo27's Review
Written on: 14/05/2008
i have an air arms s410 which is only putting out 9.3 flbs with accupel ammo.<br/>gun is only 6mths old have shot 1000 pels<br/>how do i strip it an get it up to 12flbs+
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Kawasakizx10R's Response to thomo27's Review
Written on: 23/05/2008
Hi,
<br/> Go on EBay and put in Air Arms S410, you can buy the spring and tuning CD to get your rifel fighting fit again, you can also email the guy and he will tell you what to buy and what to do, hope this helps.
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435872_Ray Black's Response to thomo27's Review
Written on: 27/01/2009
I agree with this review because...
<br/>HAVING used the 410 on the mainland i find it to have a great trigger and accurate
<br/>but stripping can be a nightmare
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<br/>maybe some one could give me some advise on adjusting the power mine cronos at 9.3
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★★★★★
“Love the S410e, precise and powerful but ”
Written on: 21/11/2003 by tzrider (3 reviews written)
Love the S410e, precise and powerful but
mine is starting to leak air when I get
to about 100-105 bar. My S410 can get
to 80 bars without any problem.
Is there anybody with the same problem
or do you have different experiences
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Thomo27's Response to tzrider's Review
Written on: 01/01/2004
Mine's fine chap. I suggest you take it to a gun smith, it cost suprisingly little to have fixed!:)
<br>and could be dangerous if not!! :(
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Tzrider's Response to tzrider's Review
Written on: 07/02/2004
Addition by the writer:
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<br>The cause of the leakage of my S410e was that I had put it away at 100 bar while being relativly new. At that stage, the seals were not set. I have put it away for a weekend at 200 bar and the problem is solved. It can easily get down now to 80 bars without leaking. Live the gun. It is SO long !! I have a S410c 4,5mm 12 fp version next to it.
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Randy Of The Redwoods's Response to tzrider's Review
Written on: 23/05/2004
Yeah, my hissed out at 130 bar when new. After storing it a few days at 190 bar, I now can shoot it down to 110 bar and the seals hold. The accuracy is pretty tight though. I'm getting 25 to 30 very consistent hits. Even after that the power tapers off rather predictably for another 15 shots. On windless days, pellets hold 2 in. horizontall accuracy out to 70 yards using A of A 15.9 grain roundnose and FP 10 lube.
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★★★★★
“Got a brand new gun from CTICO.COM and the air leaks...”
Written on: 27/09/2003 by kemawo777 (2 reviews written)
Got a brand new gun from CTICO.COM and the air leaks out around the pressure guage on the stock when you try to pump it up. Even when you pump like mad and get it up to almost 100 BAR it keeps leaking. Can't contact the seller either.
Today is my son's B-Day & this was the BIG gift. Not too happy with the outcome so far.
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Tzrider's Response to kemawo777's Review
Written on: 21/11/2003
My S410e 5.5mm FAC starts to leak
<br>when the pressure drops to about 100-105
<br>bar. According to Air Arms this is normal
<br>but I find this much to soon (80 would be
<br>acceptable to store my rifle) as even
<br>my S410 4.5mm at 12 ft.lbs can get as
<br>low as 80 BAR without any problem.
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Thomo27's Response to kemawo777's Review
Written on: 01/01/2004
mine NEVER LEAKs and if it did i would say its unacceptable and send it back! how old is it?
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Kemawo777's Response to kemawo777's Review
Written on: 16/02/2004
The airarms has a problem with the "O" rings. Apparently the people constructing these guns don't put a lite oil on the rings as an extra precaution against fraying or sitting wrong. Once we figured this out and got it corrected, the gun was great. Also had a hell of a time getting Air Arms or the distributor to give us more than one ring. Should come standard but hey, why should they spend an extra 10 cents to make the customer happy.
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Tzrider's Response to kemawo777's Review
Written on: 17/02/2004
After putting the new gun away for a weekend, the leaking never appeared again. The seals had time to set. I probably stored the new gun with unset seals away with too low pressure
regards,
Jeroen
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Ragkar's Response to kemawo777's Review
Written on: 19/07/2004
The AirArms User Handbook (page 7) warns you that if the cylinder is empty (as in the first fill) cock the mechanism before filling. It goes on to say that at least 50 bar (725psi) is required in the cylinder before the firing valve fully seals. I've had no leakage problem with my gun. Last winter it retained its air over three months without leaking.
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★★★★★
“This gun is the best value in the PCP catagory that...”
Written on: 25/07/2003 by JGarza.
This gun is the best value in the PCP catagory that I've seen in my opinion. I've used this rifle afield for about a year and have had the opportunity to compare it to a Daystate Harrier and a FX Tarantula. I found the design of the 410E is superior in function to these rifles although the wood and metal finishwork might be a bit better on the others. I'd like to check out the power mod but I'd have to send the gun in and chance a shipping disaster (my R9 was destroyed on delivery from... (read more)
119673_Mttr.'s Response to 118910_JGarza.'s Review
Written on: 28/07/2003
I've just put in my order for a new 410E with adjustable power from Pomona AG in Victorville. Nice guy and very informative. I spent considerable time talking to all the big dealers and went back and forth between this site and read every review about 5-6 times and then the summary a few fellow shoppers did in a comment buried way down one of the review threads. After a week of going over every word and remembering what I was told I opted to get the gun from Pomona. I'll get my gun sometime in the next week or so and can't wait to use it. Thanks to all the owners who commented and took the time to help the newcommers. I'm very grateful since if I didn't read all the owner comments from this site I'd have a gun without adjustable power and would have spent $50 more to boot after shipping and the higher quick connect costs. Gotta shop and save nowadays!!
<br>I think Steve (don't know his last name) was the nicest of all the ones I spoke on the phone with as well. One of the other dealers said he was a two bit one man operation working out of his house. I found out he has been in the business for over 25 years and gave me better answers than the other importer/dealers. I really like the little guy too who is out there to save me some $$ and give me the best quality and service. I do wish Steve would get some email though. Getting ahold of him by phone is a royal pain!
<br>Of course I am assuming the power mod is as good as everyone says it is. I can't comment on it cause I don't have it yet but I couldn't find anyone who had it who thought it wasn't worth getting. I'll post another comment after I get a chance to test it. If it sucks I'll be the first one to condemn it!
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121148_Togayank.'s Response to 118910_JGarza.'s Review
Written on: 03/08/2003
Yes, we need to start making some quality FAC class airguns in the US!
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Ken's Response to 118910_JGarza.'s Review
Written on: 06/08/2003
You can decock it by holding the action out and pulling the trigger. It doesn't say so in the manual, but it works.
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★★★★★
“I've owned about 30 pcp's in my day of shooting. But...”
Written on: 17/05/2003 by BWassung.
I've owned about 30 pcp's in my day of shooting. But i have only kept 2. The s410e is one of them(the other is the carreer 707 laminate in .25) I use my s410e with a night vision scope for hunting rabbits late at night. I use a solid lead 23 grain round, which pushes about 830 f.p.s., which is the speed i like to keep my pellets. It has about 32 f.p. of power. But all that, still is the least of the things that impresses me. The accuracy is what i love. At 10 yards my c.t.c. is... (read more)
Pjag's Response to 98610_BWassung.'s Review
Written on: 19/10/2003
Which caliber is your gun? From the 32fpe I conclude it's a .22?
<br>I'm thinking of buying an S400E (not 410) but I haven't made my mind up about the caliber. Since it's such a powerful gun I'm leaning towards a .22.
<br>What is the maximum distance to which you can take out rabbits?
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Bwassung Bot's Response to 98610_BWassung.'s Review
Written on: 20/10/2003
I have the .22, which i traded for a 400e for more precise pellet loading. The longest i have teken a rabbit is 80 yards, but i think i could take them at 100 yards. I use Beeman Kodiaks, they go around 860 fps, and retain lots of energy. At 50 yards they still have 26ft/lbs of energy.
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★★★★★
“I recently gained internet access and the world of...”
Written on: 18/04/2003 by PlasmaEtcher.
I recently gained internet access and the world of online posting and the exchange of information on this little subculture of airguns. I bought this AA 410E airgun a year ago from a disgruntled customer who was not happy with the accuracy/quality/value and with the whole airgun scene in general. He said he had a fallout over the phone with the dealer in the MN area last year. He wasn't at all happy with the gun and offered it to me for $400 with an extra magazine (which were both cracked)... (read more)
91851_Delldude.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 24/04/2003
Great review! I especially loved the mentioning of the FP-10 melting the orings. I use it after reading about it on an airgun site/dealer board and have had my orings melt on my Tarantula and Career way too early for my taste(less than 1000 rounds in each gun). I am switching to Slick 50 One lube and made some Whiscomb Honey for testing as well. I have poured a small amount of each lube in a small bottle with an oring at the bottom. We'll see what happens in a few weeks.
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92290_Zuel.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 26/04/2003
I agree, very informative...I am very curious as to the results with the o-ring experiment. Please keep us posted!
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94343_Blaine.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 02/05/2003
I just read on the US Straght Shooters board that the power mod leaks and doesn't give you any more shots per fill as you turn down the power. This in essence contradicts all the claims of extended shots that are claimed on this rifle. What is the truth here!?!?! Many who responded on the SS board and had the mod done didn't use theirs enough to know or verify. Can anyone step up and set the record straight with some figures? It sounds like most of the posters here that mention the extra shots and great performance are avid shooters and know their stuff. It even seems like 2 are fighting in Iraq if you read all the posts like I have - Anyway it seems like one dealer who has a commercial interest (competition) to downplay the "mod" against a whole bunch of 410E heavy user enthusiasts who own them and swear by them. I still want to hear from you all! I am almost ready to buy one this summer.
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Mrirok.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 04/05/2003
I wish all reviews were so lengthy and informative I really need some more reviews like this then I won't make a mistake when I have to go out and buy a Air Arms. I'm also curious as to the o-ring results and what other types of oils to use?L8R
<br>Mrirok
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94712_Karl.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 04/05/2003
I'm very interested in changing to this gun since my Tarantula has had its second valve assembly break in 25,000 rounds. $50 bucks a pop (if I work on it myself) and a day tearing apart and reinstalling the barrel to get it going after postage and calls. I'm sellin it and trying a new gun that is hopefully more trouble free since I live off the beaten path. Sounds like this gun has a pretty good following and also had some QC issues with parts comming loose in the gun and cracked magazines but know some guys who have had this fixed by the importer!
<br>Thanks for all the postings to all who chose to share their experiences.
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95322_Don Frye.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 06/05/2003
I've been watching all the comments concerning the 410E "power mod" and have noticed the only ones who have been negative are non-owners/users. They were repeating rumors or dealer propoganda who don't sell them. After trying unsuccessfully to find a used 410E with power mod I bought a new 410E in .22 with the power mod from Steve at Pomona Air Guns last fall and found it does give more shots (10-15 more at low power) and my .22 RWS domes shoot very well at lower power settings. It was my first dealing with him since he doesn't do email. I was a bit hesitant to do business with him but due to all the good postings I thought I'd give him a try - I found he has 25 years in the business and now I only do business with him despite the hassle of getting him on the phone!! He needs to get EMAIL!!! I have read all the warnings about the power mod on the website mentioned in the previous posts and also read the testmonials here on this site but when I started looking at the owners vs. the non owners that were posting I realized that I've got to put more credibility to the ones that were talking about their experiences rather than the ones speculating or repeating truisms from the "dealer/experts/self interest guru's". I didnt' see any negative comments from actual owners/users found in this case that the owners with the positive comments and claims were correct. If you read all the posts they are all saying the same thing! Rare that so many posters/users can agree on anything. 10-15 more shots per filling is a 25+% increase in shot capacity which is pretty significant and ideal for shooting target or informal shooting. Accuracy was improved in some lower velocities in some pellets, there was no leaking, no wear issues or confusion or repeatability issues etc. All the considerations and deliberations that I would have were discussed on this site by 20-30 different posters from all over the US. What a great way to get good field data on a product in one place and also a resource to openly display the lowest price and special services/mods!! Thanks Review Centre!!
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96324_Roughrider.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 09/05/2003
From what I've read from US posters on this site, the 410E will do nicely for my needs. I really want a Rapid but for a third of the cost I can make do with a 410E. I've been reading and studying posts on about 4-5 forums and just put my order in for a 410E with the adjustable power option. Free shipping and Monthly special that really sweetened the deal!! I just ordered an R9 and some supplies since the prices were so good.
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97304_Jean.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 13/05/2003
I've had a 410E in .22 for over a year and its great. Got the adjustable power upgrade and I get almost 50 shots shooting JSB's at about 875 fps. I've just ordered another one in .177 since my dealer has a few comming in shortly
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98226_Cayuga.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 15/05/2003
I bought a 410E last year from Pomona Steve. He talked me into the power mod and 4 spare magazines - that way I can figure out when my air is out after 50 shots in .22. I've been shooting this gun everyday ever since it arrived and have left all my other hobbies high and dry. I only shoot maybe 200-300 rounds on some days but when the starlings are out I can shoot 1000-1500 rounds in one afternoon without breaking a sweat. I put up quite a suet feed station and sit on my balcony all day long and drop starlings from a rest - 30-70 yards in my backyard. I haven't had a single issue with my 410E or even a worn oring (which I know is comming soon cause I've got about 8000-9000 rounds through my gun) since I got it and I think its the greatest value going!! Great design!!
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100208_Joachim.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 21/05/2003
I have owned a pair of 410E's since March of 2001 and shoot them almost everyday year around and travel with them throughout Oregon, California, Washington, Montana and Colorado in my Motorhome. I have one in .177 and .22. They are both equally accurate and both are now outfitted with the grub screw aftermarket power adjustment which allows you adjust the velocity up and down. It also gives you more shots when you slow the pellet down. Sometimes I like to shoot the gun wide open but I only get about 25-30 shots and some pellets don't shoot too accurately when they go too fast. I think I paid around $605 for each gun from a small shop run out of a guys house in Victorville, California. He does airgunsmith work and is pretty darn knowelgeable being around for 25 years or so in the business. My son knows him pretty well and also has a pair of these guns who directed my to set them up just like his. I'm a bit fuzzy on how many pellets I've shot through these guns but I've gone through about 50 tins of .177 Kodiak pellets and 50 tins of .22 JSB dome pellets since I bought these two fine rifles. I use a carbon fiber tank from the medical industry and this keeps me shooting for about 2 weeks in between finding scuba shops or fire departments. I mounted a pair of Simmons 44 mag 6.5 x 20 scopes with sun shades on my guns originally and just replaced them with the mil dot versions of the same scopes last month. I gave my old ones with the multiplex reticles to my grandson who is just now going rimfire crazy growing up in Montana.
<br>I haven't had any problems with my 410E's so far. I've read alot of guys having all kinds of issues but I keep my fingers crossed but so far I've been very pleased with the way they perform and how accurate they shoot. My son owns 15-20 PCP repeaters of various calibers and brands but he only recomended the 410E's to me knowing my age and physical limitations. I think they are pretty good considering some of the guns he shoots cost 3 times more and frankly don't seem to be 3 times better!
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100935_Nekokmik.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 24/05/2003
I bought a 410E for shooting backyard vermin like birds and squirrels. I am an Inuit Indian from the Northwest Territories and I took this gun home with me while visiting my family and had the time of my life shooting almost the entire time I was there. I'm planning another trip home later this year and will bring another 410E with me and another pump to leave with my younger brother. He was begging me to leave the rifle but I had to save up another 6 months to buy another gun, scope and pump and I can't be without for the summer. I want to thank the shooters who posted because it really helped me choose the right gun, the right pellets and who to buy from.
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100939_Roy From Colorado.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 24/05/2003
Dang! Am I glad I stumbled on this site! I just about ordered a 410E from a dealer who was really badmouthing the adjustable power feature and the dealer associated with it. I decided to hold off since I thought I'd shop around a bit more. Boy am I glad I did. I just read a whole bunch of users on this site who love thier guns with the adjustable power so more investigation is in order. I've read the occaisional mention on the Fun Supply Forum (Yellow background board) and mostly its positive or not utilized. I don't think some guys use their guns much. I am conviced the 410E is the rifle I want with the adjustable power and an extra magazine or two. My youngest son just left for the Peace Corps, my wife passed away 2 years ago, my business runs itself and I have tons of time on my hands! I think this new hobby will be lots of fun!
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100941_Blaine Goodin.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 24/05/2003
I just noticed an earlier post about a Tarantula valve breaking. Funny thing so did my Thor around the same number of rounds. I love my Thor but my shooting pal just had his Tarantula Sporter jam up last month. He put the gun in the closet disgusted and said he'll send it back when he cools off. Something about spending the most amount of $$ on a gun in his whole life and it breaking after the year warranty is up and a week after he got laid off from work. Anyway I was thinking about selling mine for something else in the same price range that will shoot as well and the 410E is the only thing that tickles my fancy. I haven't seen any pattern of parts wearing out on the 410E's in all the posts here but if you know of anything besides the magazine issues please post it! I certainly didn't read anything about the FX valves wearing out so fast when I was reading about them. They really seem like they are built really heavy duty when I first got mine but there must be some really tiny parts inside that must really wear. I'm kinda scared to go inside cause I don't want to cause a leak! Anybody out there with 410E problems that I should know about?
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101061_Barleypop.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 24/05/2003
Finally worked up the nerve to drop a comment. I bought a 410E this Jan'03 and have been workin over the yard birds and early gophers. I love this rifle!! I thought my Beeman Deluxe tuned from the dealer R9 was unbeatable but I don't use it anymore since getting the larger caliber .22 410E. I bought the 410E based on the reviews on this site and the yellowboard forum. It seems they are the most objective. When doing early price comparisons I found the lowest cost source and most of the comments and reviews on this board confirmed my earlier findings. That is what sold me on the validity of the information on this site. I highly recommend this gun, and be sure and read ever review and comment listed here! I have never seen any more information and stats on any one gun concentrated by so many owners from such a wide demographic anywhere else. Some of the reviews are general, vague and questionable but most are extremely detailed and very useful along with the comments and challenges of claims on some reviews. I love it when you can see discussion about issues so I can make up my own mind. Its very enlightening when reading all these comments and then surfing on another chat room and hearing a dealer make questionable recommendations based on his backroom inventory or the product he is the importer for. It seems there are lots of mature professionals from many different disciplines in this hobby probably due to the barriers of entry (cost). I have to agree with the majority of the comments and reviews that this rifle is probably the best buy and best overall value either with or without the adjustable power option on the market now (I have adjustable power on mine and highly recommend it). I am thinking about an additional 410E in .177 due to the reported higher shot count (60) with the adjustable velocity turned down to JSB 8.4gr at 900 fps. I also want to sample a 410 carbine and check out the balance and feel. I think they would be fun guns. In closing, I haven't had any problems or complaints about my 410E except that some sort of safety would be nice. I only bought one magazine since I had a bad habbit of losing my Ruger 10/22 magazines afield. I figured I wouldn't lose it if it was always in the gun. I hope my contribution here will be helpful to others just as the reviews and comments from the earlier reviewers helped me from October-December of 2002 make my decision. Sorry for the long winded comment but these guns are alot of money and I feel time and research is worth the effort when buying these high tech new fangled toys! I really appreciated it when someone took the time to share their all thoughts and opinions with me!
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101131_Greg Hill.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 24/05/2003
I own a stock .22 cal beech stock 410E with scope. I bought the gun second hand via email exchange and have been very happy with it. I bought it for $350 with Cabella's 6.5-20 mil dot scope and 3 magazines - 2 which were cracked and now repaired after I called Pomona Air Guns who promptly send out 2 yellow replacements free of charge. My question is does anyone know how long it will take for the "power mod" upgrade to be done? I have read every comment and review on this board and am interested in the adjustable power but I don't want to have my gun tied up all summer long since I heard he is one guy working out of his house and doesn't even have email. I've only had the one warranty dealing with Pomona but have never actually done business with them regarding the exchange of money. They guy was very nice and promptly sent out the replacement parts the next day but it didn't cost him anything cause AA provided him with the parts. Would anyone share their major airgun purchase experiences with them? It sounds like everyone here does business with them due to the instances of comments regarding the adjustable power upgrade which I understand is only done by Pomona. I was told it requires drilling and tapping of the receiver some have said it looks unsightly while others disagree, but I was warned by a large airgun dealer to watch my back when dealing with them and he heard horror stories of the adjustable power upgrade gone bad. I just want to be sure they are good since I didn't buy the gun from them and I think I got a good deal and don't want to mess up a good thing. But I also want to get more shots and have the adjustability. I would appreciate any comments. Hope everyone is having a great Memorial Day weekend shooting and enjoying the weather!!
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101898_Jean.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 27/05/2003
I've been prowling the classifieds and can't find a good used 410E with the adjustable power or even without. I suppose I'll just have to buy a new one. Sounds like a pretty good gun from what I've read.
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101909_Jean.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 27/05/2003
Just heard my .177 410E should be in by the end of the month. Just met someone who has one in .177 and he confirmed he had gotten 60 shots on a fill shooting Premier Lights at 900 fps. I can't wait for my gun to get through customs!
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102695_Quicksilver66.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 30/05/2003
Karl & Blaine, the valve on my Viper just went out and I had some small parts rattling around the action and it wouldn't close. I am not sure how many rounds I have through the gun but its been about 5 boxes of Premiers and 10-15 tins of Beeman FTS or so. Did you go to Airguns of Arizona for parts and did you fix the guns yourself or have them do it. What did they charge? I read somewhere the parts were about $50 delivered but its a half day of taking the barrel off and replacing the guts which is easier said than done from what I've read. My gun is out of warranty by a few months and I've read of Tarantula's having this issue as well. Does the Tarantula have the same valve as the Viper? Any help will be appreciated!! Good thing I have a 410E to shoot in the meantime.
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102757_Daytrader.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 30/05/2003
Just got my 410E in .22 shipped to me and am very pleased despite the lack of a safety. I have been shooting in the back 40 for the last week hardly doing anything else but shooting my new gun. The first two days were spent minding the status of the magazine to keep from shooting air, periodically checking the bar guage and also being vigilant with my gun safety cause my 14 year old daughter is always behind me. I am a new gun owner so my stress level is quite high when handling a gun with other people in close proximity. Especially my children. I also bought the adjustable power option due to the recommendations and have been playing with it the last few days. I am getting 45 shots shooting Crosman Premiers at 875 fps and I am pretty happy - bought a new chronograph as well. Accurcy is excellent compared to my springers. I have had nothing but pure joy the last few days with this new toy and I don't expect to lose interest in this as I have with other hobbies. I am going to have to buy pellets in bulk and new clothes from all the weight I'll be losing from the pump workout. After one year I promised myself to buy a tank to fill the guns with. I bought a 75 acre estate 5 years ago and its full of squirrels and critters that are needing to be thinned out a bit. Thanks to those to commented back to me.
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104228_Jackson.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 04/06/2003
Great cache of information on the 410E! When I see comments like those made by BarleyPOP and others I know I am in the company of the sharpest consumers. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling when reading about this mfg/model rifle and the options and dealers profiled. For some strange reason only this rifle has such a broad user/support base. I hope this trend continues to the other brands and models.
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108638_Leadpuppy.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 18/06/2003
This is an awesome place! I've had a blast reading and taking all this in on the 410/400E. I think I'm going to risk the 410E with its magazine since it seems to be working good according to the feedback here. Why not shoot repeater if you've got the chance? As for the choice of caliber I think I'm going .177 for now since I'm mainly shooting for fun and not hunting. Is there anyplace besides Brad's Classifieds to find these things used and in good condition? Anyone want to sell theirs in .177?
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110754_177.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 26/06/2003
I've just got the wild hair to get a .177 410E but was just informed they are hard to come by. I've read that those who have them are coveting them and with having 3 .22 cal PCP's I want to get a .177 410E with the power mod so I too can get 60 shots per fill and the incredible accuracy that I've read so much about. There is only one rumored to be comming in country through customs from AA on this month's shipment and its already sold. DARN!! I guess its time to put some cash down and get serious cause I'm going to have a long wait. Might as well get the walnut stock too while I'm at it.
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117666_Left Out In The Cold.'s Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 22/07/2003
My shooting buddy has a .177 410E and it shoots circles around my Tarantula. He shoots about as accurate but he gets tons more shots (60) and its is alot quieter with the shroud. I've had some problems with the bolt closing on my $800 Tarantula a few months ago and noticed some small bits of spring falling out and I made some calls to find out the valve needs to be replaced. Come to find out I'll be charged for the parts $55 + labor + shipping which would be over $150 and I can't swing the scratch right now so in the closet it sits till I figure out a way to sell it. Its only a year and two months old and already its going to cost me major $$ to get shooting again. I heard I have to take the barrel off and remove the guts of the gun and put it all together without causing a leaky seal if I want to do this myself. I should have bought a 410E in the first place. Meanwhile my shooting buddy is out there shooting his 410E (sometimes when I tag along he lets me shoot his wife's S200) and he's got 3 times the amount of rounds through his gun than mine with no problems. I was told there wasn't any issues with the Tarantula's when I bought mine but here I am seeing the valve issue with some others on this thread. The importer told me over the phone mine is the first one ever to go bad but they won't cover it or replace it free even though its close to being under warranty. They don't even stock parts cause they are so reliable according to him. My Tarantula is going to stay in the closet and the next bunch of cash I get will go to a new 410E!!
<br>I just called another dealer of Air Arms to find out its going to be a long wait for the next batch of .177 410e's to come in but by then I'll have enough saved up to buy one. Grrrrrrr
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Hoss's Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 05/09/2003
I had reviewed this gun earlier,and since have read more of the comments on this gun. Steve at pamona air is very easy to deal with and will bend over backwards to help you with your choices, and questions. My AA 410e does not have the power adjustment but I think I will have it done. To all do NOT listen to all the dealers down talking Steve at Pamona Air, they sell their guns at a higher price and will say anything to make you buy from them. I drove to Steve's house when I bought mine, Myself and my friend talked with him for roughly an hour. Bottom line is that you will not find a gun as accurate and reliable at this price range nor will you find a better person to deal with than Steve at Pamona Air. Just Take your time and read all the reviews on this site and gun and you will end up purchacing it.
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<br> Hoss
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Savage's Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 30/12/2003
WHEN IT COMES TOO HONESTY AND INTEGRETY THERES NO BETTER MAN TO DEAL WITH OTHER THAN STEVE AT POMONA AIR. I'VE PURCHASED MANY ITEMS FROM STEVE AND I CAN'T SAY ONE BAD THING ABOUT THE RETIRED PEACE OFFICER. HES STRAIGHT UP ABOUT EVERYTHING.
<br>ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT POMONA AIR IS I CAN CALL HIM ANYTIME DURING HIS BUSINESS HOURS TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS ABOUT MY GUN NEEDS. THIS IS WHAT I'VE HAVE BOUGHT FROM POMOMNA AIR, A 22&25 THEOBEN RAPID 12,A DAYSTATE HUNTSMAN, 3 AIR ARMS, A FALCON PISTOL AND NO PROBLEMS.
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Pelleteer's Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 03/01/2004
I didn't realized he was a retired LA police officer wounded in the line of duty. I bought from him cause he has always given me straight answers that have never left me burning with buyers remorse after the purchase. Now I feel even better about supporting him.
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Xtrmn8Tr's Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 09/04/2004
The power mod from steve @ pamona air guns consists of modifing the existing valve air channel (as in machineing and modifying...hence the phrase power mod---get it?) with a needle valve that is tapered...adjustment range for this needle is typically from all the way in (lightly seated...meaning with only two fingers...thumb and point finger......not cranked tight) to 3 turns out...each 1/4 turn produces approx. 1 ft. lbs. which = 4 ft.lbs per turn for a total of approx. 12 ft.lbs....guns ussually get shipped to the owner with a setting of approx. 20 ft. lbs of energy...needle turned all the way in...if you choose three turns out you end up with approx 32 ft. lbs....the biggest reason for this power mod is the fact that the owner can dial in (for accuracy) the exact amount of velocity to match practically any pellet on the market...a rifle with out this modification means the owner must experiment with all kinds of different pellet weights and styles till he finds a combination that is accurate and in the case of the S410E he'll probably end up using heavy pellets only...because with out the power mod you are locked in to only 1 power setting...where as the guy with the power mod can use light "el cheapo "pellets if he chooses and turn the velocity needle in (slower fps.)and end up using less volume of air...as in less psi drop per shot taken and still have great accuracy (just takes a little trial and error experimentation )...this end of the power spectrum is great for casual plinking of your deck or just shooting to have some fun with your buddies...or you can crank up the velocity and switch to heavier pellets and do some very serious pest removal...or anything in between...KOOL!...would'nt you agree...point is guys you have the Ultimate in ... versatility ... power ... and economy...add all this to the fact that the air arms s410e is resonable in price ...accurate...powerful...economical...looks good ...handles well...is very quiet...it's not hard to see why it is one of the biggest reviews on this site, as well as one of the most popular pcp rifles around...L8tr...Xtrmn8tr
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Pelleteer's Response to 90101_PlasmaEtcher.'s Review
Written on: 01/05/2004
Just went to an airgun groundsquirrel shoot in Idaho and there was 7 410E's present hailing from Seattle, WA to Sacramento Ca and 6 of them had the power mod - and they all were bought from Pomona AG...
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★★★★★
“Quite Simply, the MUTTS NUTS for the money!”
Written on: 05/04/2003 by Major Konig.
Quite Simply, the MUTTS NUTS for the money! (read more)
★★★★★
“Very strong value for the money. Excellent accuracy,...”
Written on: 25/02/2003 by Jordan.
Very strong value for the money. Excellent accuracy, quiet shroud, easy to load 10 shot mag, large airtank, smooth bolt action, most excellent fitting stock and it's damn fun to shoot. Magazines are a bit spendy at $45 - hearsay are having cracking issues but mine are fine - also baffles are being shot out of shroud in cold weather - again mine are fine and I live in NH. PowerMod is $60 extra and takes a few days extra to be done before shipping. I had to take an extra day to think it... (read more)
76496_Travis Pritchard.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 01/03/2003
hi.
<br>im form ohio and im interested in buying a S410E.
<br>i wuz wondering how loud this rifle is. on 1 to 10?
<br>1-is a daisy red rider
<br>10-is a .22 long rifle
<br>thanks
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77175_Jordan.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 04/03/2003
I don't have a Red Ryder but I do have a Ruger .22LR. I will say that the 410E is about a 2 based on the memory of the Daisy T-99 when I was a kid. I think that you can spend $200+ and get a quieter mod for say like a Tarantula but out of the box the 410E is damn quiet. The most noise is the loud snap of the pellet hitting the target. You won't be dissapointed in the 410E. Good Luck!!
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77196_Gordon.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 04/03/2003
My 410E is very quiet, I don't think its as quiet as a Red Ryder but its the most quiet, powerful out of the box .22 PCP that you'll find. With the power mod option you'll probably be able to turn the power down and have the quietest PCP short of spending $150 xtra on an aftermarket mod for some other guns. I read on the yellow board a DIY PVC pipe extenstion with washers that you can do it yourself from a McMaster Carr catalogue to make the gun evey quieter with a low dollar investment. I heard the .177 version of the 410E is alot more quiet than the .22. I'd like to try one of those for starlings and gophers. I do know my .22 410E is alot more quiet than my .22LR Kimber.
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77201_Daytrader.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 04/03/2003
Has anyone had a close call with this gun due to its lack of a safety? Just wondering here.
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77459_Meister Jaeger.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 05/03/2003
410E in .22 is a 2 INHO. I don't have a RR to compare side by side but I took out my sons's Daisy and did the shooter's perspective, perp to the muzzle and facing the muzzle about 10 yards away at a 45 degree angle to get the full blast. Of course the 410E at that angle was about a 4 or so. The bb gun was suprisingly loud at that perspective as well. Oh yes, I did the Ruger .22 auto as well and it was WAY LOUD!!
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77934_Dnadoc.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 07/03/2003
I've got the 410E in .177 and .22, I'd say the .177 is a 1 the .22 is a 2. Its hard to make a .22 with up to 36 ftlbs be as quiet as a bb gun. But it was closer than I thought it would be. My neighbours son has a new Red Ryder and its not as quiet as I thought. I shot them in my backyard where the sound reflected off my 6' fence and I think gave me a good arena for judging the sound levels both from a shooters perspective and the target's.
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78467_Jordan.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 09/03/2003
I wish the gun had a safety but I always try to not have the gun cocked/loaded until I get a shot. Sometimes you cock and the shot opportunity is lost - then you have to really be careful and remember that you have a loaded gun. There is no substitute for safe gun handling! Accidents can happen even with a safety.
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79580_25Pindongle.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 13/03/2003
I'm new to airgunning and shooting in general but my department head has been doing this since the mid 70's and has well over 450 airgun rifles and pistols and has guided me to buy a 410E in .22 caliber. He insisted that I buy from Pomona for the best deal and that I also get the adjustable power add on and a Legend 5-15 military doted scope. I'm your basic ski bum software geek through college never having shot a gun till my mid twenties but DUDE!! This sport is way too much fun! I can shoot a can for hours and pest control of pest birds squirrels will be a new thing for me this spring. I bought a spinner and some targets and can really get into the mental aspects of shooting. I've never really liked shooting loud guns so this silencer cover tube business and no kick is very nice. He told me this gun was the best value out there and it had everything you needed for hunting or plinking if you could adjust the power up and down. Anyway just wanted to share this since I read all the reviews here before calling to order my gun.
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80743_Pager1.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 17/03/2003
I read this reply from AA on another board! Very helpful for the stock refinishing.
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<br>Apologies for the delay in responding , but we are having difficulties with
<br>our new web server!!
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<br>In answer to your enquiry, the Beech stock Polyurethane finish, a light
<br>coating of oil with a cloth after will be sufficient to keep it in good
<br>condition.
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<br>Our walnut stocks are given a light coating of oil , and not having a
<br>coating of 'poly' allows improvements to be made to your
<br>liking.Traditionally, the applying of linseed oil to the wood is the way it
<br>was for improving and conditioning stocks, but this is a labour of love as
<br>it is a lengthy process. It involves applying a coat of linseed and waiting
<br>for it to dry, then rubbing it back with fine wire wool and repeating the
<br>procedure.
<br>Care must be taken to cover areas of chequering and butt plate assembly so
<br>that no oil reaches these.
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<br>Nowadays, any good gun shop will have packages containing complete kits for
<br>working on the walnut.This method is quicker and easier and should be
<br>supplied with instructions.
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<br>Regards
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81921_Russ.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 21/03/2003
Anyone know how to make the 410e even quieter I see someone posted a diy kit please elaborate
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82390_Dean.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 23/03/2003
can someone please post the full address for this guy named "steve" in pamona california...thanx in advance...thinkin 'bout givin him a call
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100940_Mack.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 24/05/2003
Great site! I'm sold on the 410E with the adjustable power. Just the thing I need for the "ranch". Great reviews and testmonials.
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102110_Jackson.'s Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 28/05/2003
Thanks for posting what you know. I've also done alot of reading and I'm ready to buy an AA 410E in .22. I've driven all over the state and can't find anyone who has even heard of Air Arms or deal them. I wish we could get rid our our Crossman and Daisy's and replace them with British and German airguns!
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Thomo27's Response to 75446_Jordan.'s Review
Written on: 01/01/2004
Quick Fill cap is heavy for a good reason! to lesson muzzle lift, & help ballence the rifle.
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“I've had an Air Arms 410E now for a month. My...”
Written on: 19/02/2003 by Michael.
I've had an Air Arms 410E now for a month. My previous favourite airguns were a Theoben Rapid 12 and Theoben Double Magnum. I now have another favourite. The AA 410E is priced at least $1000 too low for the quality, accuracy, fit/finish, and fun factor. My groups are equal or better than the Rapid and the trigger is actually smoother. Bench groups at 50 yards are never more than 1/2" with a Bushnell Trophy 4-12x40 scope. There's even less recoil than the Rapid and the balance is... (read more)
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“Wonderfully accurate rifle and great value!! Cheapest...”
Written on: 24/01/2003 by Pneumannic.
Wonderfully accurate rifle and great value!! Cheapest and best performance when mag capacity, air capacity, built in shroud and accuracy, workmanship and design is considered. I think it runs head to head with even the more expensive guns in performance but probably not in fit and finish. It's no slouch though. I have owned this rifle in .22cal for over a year and when I saw this site I had to pitch my .02 - I bought this gun after having a FX Tarantula for a while and while that gun was... (read more)
68862_Viking22.'s Response to 67638_Pneumannic.'s Review
Written on: 29/01/2003
Hey Pneumannic, I'm just down the road from you a few hours and the only other airgunner in this state. How about we get together to hit some "gophers". Let me know if you're interested. What scope did you put on your gun? I have the Simmons 44Mag with Target Turrets. I'm looking forward to this year with special interest!! I'm a bass/pike/sunny fisherman from Minnesota but now I've got flyfishin for trout and airgunning for all kinds of critters and lots of new tricks to learn. It's a great new world!!
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71163_Pneumannic.'s Response to 67638_Pneumannic.'s Review
Written on: 07/02/2003
Vik22, I live in Chicago and have a cabin in MT that I live in during the summer and fall. The winter I spend in AZ and the spring I'm home in Chicago. I won't be in MT till June but this year I'll be building a new cabin so I might not have time to shoot airguns. This will only be my second year in MT but last year I spent too much time hunting and fishing and my old cabin didn't winter well (luckily is was a mild winter) so this year I'm tearing it all down and building a new one.
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73024_Pneumannic.'s Response to 67638_Pneumannic.'s Review
Written on: 15/02/2003
Just had a Beemn Muzzle Break made by Steve at Pomona to put on the end of my 410E. He had to machine it out all the way and I just clamp the two screws down cause it looks mean and keeps the baffles from blowing out. I havn't had this issue but read about some who did in the cold weather. It only cost me $40 and looks mean!!!
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73252_Gordon.'s Response to 67638_Pneumannic.'s Review
Written on: 16/02/2003
I live in Helena and shoot a 410E, Goldstar and a SuperSport. My office staff bought me a 410E at my retirement party and it's been the greatest fun I've had since I was a kid. My son has several $1000 PCP rifles for target from Germany and he is going to join me for some local gopher shoots this year.
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75691_Lord Of The Rings.'s Response to 67638_Pneumannic.'s Review
Written on: 26/02/2003
I am heading to MT this summer for a Gopher shoot and will be bringing my trusty 410E and a ton of pellets. I'll be east of Livingston about 1 hour and staying on a private ranch. I did this last summer and shot up 10 boxes of Crosman premier pellets in 2 weeks. I had to run over to the local Bob Wards in Bozeman and buy more of whatever I could find. I also went flyfishing on the Bighorn, Yellowstone and local Spring Creeks. Before I get carried away with my memories of the trip I just wanted to say that the 410E was abused for 2 weeks in the dust and wind but still kept on shooting very accurately till the last shot when my wife forced me to get into the car at gunpoint to go home. I was lubing the pellets with One Lube and had a very dirty gun when I got home too. The quick connects and the carbon fibre tanks and pumps worked well. I filled my 410E 68 times with my first 88 CF ScotPack before the tank hit 2700 psi and I had to refill in Bozeman. I actually had to pump about a dozen fills with the FX pump until I could get the tank filled again. I was shooting a Elite 4200 6x24 and I really took a ton of Gophers. I got some 10-15 pounder ground hogs with head shots and some even bigger but I really like the gophers cause there are so many of them and the local ranchers worship you when they see what you can do.
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77194_Jurgen Reinschlammer.'s Response to 67638_Pneumannic.'s Review
Written on: 04/03/2003
With regard to the 410E trigger adjustment, what guide did you use to improve the trigger pull to two stages. I want to improve my trigger but don't know which one of 3 adjustments to start first or which way to turn. No plan do I have on this. The instructions are not so step by step to guide me from getting something very bad. How long did it take for your entire process of improvement? My trigger is quite heavy but I am afraid it could be very much worse.
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77211_Samson44.'s Response to 67638_Pneumannic.'s Review
Written on: 04/03/2003
Hey just noticed I had some fellow airgunners a few hours down the road all with the same model airgun no doubt! We'll all have to get together for a 410E reunion. Anybody got any good ranch connections for some chuck shootin?
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79892_Jag Highlander.'s Response to 67638_Pneumannic.'s Review
Written on: 14/03/2003
How many of you guys have 410E cracked magazine covers? Just wondering if its still an issue cuz I jus read on SS that its not an issue anymore. What about the accuracy problem with leaning your barrel against something or blasting your magazine faceplate to peices or wearing out your O-ring or shooting out your baffles? Also are you guys getting anymore shots with those power mods when you lower the power? Can you show me some graphs of the number of shots vs velocity? Tell the truth now! Any other problems? Sometimes its hard to get owners to be critical about their guns. Don't mean to sound like a jerk but want to know what I'm getting into before I slap down the green. I like to check with the owners after getting the dealer schmooze. Did'nt mean to come across so harsh but I've read about alot of issues on SS that scare me about this gun. Just making sure I'm not buying a headache.
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80325_Quicksilver66.'s Response to 67638_Pneumannic.'s Review
Written on: 16/03/2003
JAG, First I was going to post a review but after reading them all I'd just be repeating them and I frankly learned a few things about the 410E in the process. I've had my 410E for a little over a year (also own a .22 Venom Viper) and really love it. I'm not sure if I can convince you that its a great gun and quite frankly don't really care if you don't get it after reading this. Hey, I'm just being honest. I'll just tell you what I know and try to answer your questions best I can. Also lighten up a bit, this is supposed to be fun!
<br>I shoot my gun almost every day as I live 14 miles from the nearest town and my nearest neighbour is 6 miles away. I'm a partially disabled teacher and shoot all summer long every gal darned day till fall as motivation to get out and excercise, range of motion therapy. Hey I deal with kids goin through puberty all year and shootin for 90 days is required therapy! I've not had any problems with my baffles shooting out, accuracy issues of any kind from leaning or knocking the gun over (two or three times), my magazines (2) are fine and not cracked, I've had to replace my oring once (on my .22 Venom Viper too (the gun will get very loud near your face, can't miss it), my Viper sometimes goes off when cocking for no reason scaring the hell out of me) and that is the only downtime I've had with the gun. I've probably shot around 20,000 or so pellets since I bought the gun. I shoot mainly Crosmen Diablo, FTS or HN Match.
<br>I bought my gun originally from Airguns of AZ originally and they and Straight Shooters told me NOT to get the adjustable power option when I inquired about it. Finally after reading the yellow board and this site I decided to call Steve and see what all the hype was all about. I was told Steve was a BOJACKER (whatever that is) and he wouldn't touch my gun if I bought it from someone else. I found out that he'd work on any gun sent in to him regardless of where it was bought and only focused on questioning what I was looking for in the gun and to make me happy. He really went out of his way to let me know what to expect and what not to expect. I had some extra money and decided to try it out. I really like adjusting the power and not having to remove the stock like my Viper. I was wanting to slow down my FTS and the adjustable power gave me extra shots and allowed me to slow the pellets down to 900fps or so. I do some paper punching and hunting so I like changing to wadcutters and the hunting pellets. I have limited access to a chrony but notice that I'm getting 4 -5 magazines of shooting now when I used to only get 3. That is definitely an improvement in my book. I bought a scuba tank last year and that made my life easier.
<br>Read the other reviews and comments and make up your own mind. I read all the reviews on all the guns and bought the Viper and the 410E. I like them both but have been shooting the 410E only lately because of the repeater - bility.
<br>Good luck on your decision!
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80327_Gordon.'s Response to 67638_Pneumannic.'s Review
Written on: 16/03/2003
I just got my 410E back from Pomona Airguns with the adjustable power mod installed. I turned the power way down to all the way in and the gun gave me almost twice as many shots and got pretty quiet. My son is playing with it now to compare it with his thousand dollar fancy target guns and check how fast the pellets are going and make some graphs on his computer.
<br>Boy, that Steve from Pomona is a real sweetheart guy and no wonder so many 410E owners are doing business with him. I must have talked on the phone with him for over 2 hours. He said when I come down his way to let him know in advance and he'd take me out ground squirrel hunting and run over to his warehouse and let me see any of the guns he has in stock. I think my son might tag along too.
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★★★★★
“Overall the Air Arms 410E is a very great design that...”
Written on: 30/12/2002 by Ray.
Overall the Air Arms 410E is a very great design that meets my needs for airgun hunting. It's not as powerful as my Sumatra but much more refined and a great value with the built in shroud and the power mod. I have been hunting rabbits with this gun for the last month and its by far my favorite over my Sumatra, Thor and SLR-98. Accuracy wise I am able to shoot much better groups with a larger variety of .22 pellets than the other two PCP rifles but most important I can shoot the 410E much... (read more)
66858_Storm Trooper.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 21/01/2003
I agree with the quick connects are way too large. They should use the ones from Daystate. Other than that and the posts of guys busting mags I think the gun is great. I bought 3 extra mags and they are fine luckily!! Whew!!
The gun is way beyond my expectations for what I thought an air rifle could be and a quantum jump over what my boyhood Benjamin could do!!
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67131_Meister Jaeger.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 22/01/2003
Viton Seals on my 410E - I just threw the breech seal on my 410E this morning while hunting afield. If you don't lock the bolt down and fire the gun it will fly open and the oring can be launched out into space and lost (this also happened on my Falcon FN19 the first day I shot it.
I always carry spares (Viton -009) in my kit bag which saved the day since I was 100 yds from my car but 300 miles from home. A tool fashioned out of a paper clip easily reseated the new oring and I was back in business within 15 minutes. I saw a guy on the yellow board post about always carrying spares and I happen to work in a shop that stocks many viton orings sizes including -009 so I bagged a half dozen or so and put them into my kit bag. Thought I'd pass this along since it saved the last day of my shooting trip!!
<br>The 410E is alot easier to replace the oring than the Falcon or FX Tarantula. PCP's will wear out or throw Orings often and you don't want to be without!! My Falcon also goes through the loading port orings -008 so I carry bagfuls of those as well. The orings on my AA quick connects and my foster quick connects are also on my replacement list as well.
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69081_Storm Trooper.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 30/01/2003
Good info on the breech seals. I'm going to round up some spares to carry with me. Sounds like you've gotta run some rounds through this gun that only a scuba or graphite tank will be able to support. I'm glad to read some reports of users who have been shooting this gun for years and really pushing the envelope to show what these guns can do under heavy usage and their hunting escapades and game. Great site!! Funny I've read most folks don't take this site seriously. I've seen more good usable info on the 410E than anywhere else on the web!! HoooAaahh!!!!
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74702_Solon.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 22/02/2003
410E's Rule!! I've had one for over a year and just got a computer again to read all about this stuff. It's great to know about the orings in the barrel. I've been shooting my gun alot lately with my trusty blue pump and it was just starting to get really loud from the bolt. I just got some viton orings from my local fastner shop and after a few hours of struggleing got the oring in and now my gun is fixed!! I thought I was going to have to send the gun in!! My 410E shoots Barracuda's really well and now I'm going to try these JSB's I've heard so much about. I'm going to get another magazine too cause I want to get a spare. Does anybody know who has the best price for them? Arizona Airguns has them for $60 + shipping! I hope I get a good one for that much money!!
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75693_Dnadoc.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 26/02/2003
Buy the magazines from Pomona - My boss turned me on to him cause he's very experienced and does tunes and airgunsmithing and is very reasonable. I've chatted with all of the dealers but only buy from Steve now. Just my opinion but I think he's the most sincere and gives me the best advice and value for my $$. He has the lowest prices but that's only the icing on the cake. He stands behind his work and his guns. I think the magazine issues with the 410E's are over.
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75968_Storm Trooper.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 27/02/2003
Solon - Steve at Pomona sells AA mags for $45. I just had him make me a Beeman Universal Brake that he machined out to fit the shroud which will also keep my baffles in. I didn't have any issues with them comming out but I thought I'd put this on since it looks really cool. He charged me $40 for milling out the brake to fit the 410E shroud. He is out right now but I think he said he'd have more brakes in by March.
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75970_Lief Rahr.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 27/02/2003
Just got off the phone with Steve for one of those $40 Brakes cause I just blew my baffles out again. He'll have them in by the first week of March. I also found out I should have bought my spare mags and gun from him and I would have saved $75 just on the 410E and a magazine. I thought all internet dealers were about the same. I feel like I did when I bought my camera from the corner store and then saw the price online - ouch! I could have gotten the powermod for the same price I paid for just my gun.
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77197_Jurgen Reinschlammer.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 04/03/2003
What is "Steve" doing to fix the Beeman Muzzle Brake handle to the 410E? Is he a airgun technician? Is there an issue with the shroud baffles escaping? With the black quick connect cap and the Beeman Brake make the 410E very barrel heavy? I am curious to the improvement modifications that you can do to this rifle.
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77203_Daytrader.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 04/03/2003
Has anyone had a close call with this gun due to its lack of a safety? Just wondering here.
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79886_Bbmetzger.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 14/03/2003
Herr Reinschlammer, I've been a customer of Steve's for about 7 years. Great service and the best value you'll find. He is taking the Beeman Universal Brake and milling out the ID to fit over the shroud of the 410E and locking it with the one screw. Some guys are wanting to put this on their guns for the look and one guy I heard is wanting to do this to keep the baffles from comming out. I think he's locktighting it on. I was going to put this on but thought it might interfere with the quick connect.
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<br>He also does barrel cutting and crowning and other gun smith work. He's tuned an FWB124, R11, R8, R9LE and a HW97 for me and a co-worker has a Russ Best tuned R9LE which we compared recently at great length. Since the tune was done at the point of purchase I saved $35 in shipping alone and a bit more over the Russ Best tune. Steve buys the JM spring/piston upgrade and custom makes the guide and uses the same JM Tar and his own secret lubes. Not to slight Mr. Best in the very least (I know he is THE baseline of quality to measure all tunes!) but I was expecting a big difference in the two guns due to the low tune price I paid - which we examined for over six hours passing the guns back and forth to measure smoothness, groups and velocity. We unanimously concluded my gun had a nicer trigger adjustment but my buddies gun was shooting about 10 fps faster with Crosman Premier 7.9g, and our 30 yard groups were too close to determine which was better - we shot very nice groups with our own rifles but they both grew when shooting the other's. My tune was much cheaper due half to the savings in shipping. I really think I got a great value. Sorry to go on and on - I just wanted to say he does good work and now I send all my guns to him for repair or tunes. Hope that answers your question.
<br>I've had the power mod on my 410E for almost 2 years and love it - but then you only wanted to hear from disgruntled power mod owners - no complaints here. I increased the number of shots from 30 (Daystate Domes 970 fps) to almost 50 with slightly reduced power (Daystate Domes 860fps). Steve has increased the price of the power mod to $60 from $50 in the last 2 years - still a bargain - also all the dealers have increase the price of AA guns recently - $30 more across the board. Must be the weak dollar/pound sterling! The FX Tarantula prices have gone up even more, almost $100 too. OUCH!!!
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<br>BB
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79890_Econmajor.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 14/03/2003
Great reviews and comments. I have learned alot from all I've read here and elsewhere about the 410E. I like it when both Pro and Con issues are openly debated here. There are enough responses to make an educated decision based on the experience of owners - I'm new to airgunning and have yet to make a purchase but want to get the best deal possible with a good airgunsmith/dealer. I am the customer and want to know all the options and all the players involved, services/upgrades offered. I was doing some research on one dealer owned/run chat forum that doesn't allow any other direct competition dealers/services to be mentioned and realized that the information (while some is good) is skewed in the dealers favor. I realize that they don't want you to know about the lower prices from other vendors, goods and quality services that they don't offer in the fear of losing market share or customers. That is not the best scenario for me, the consumer - one needs to talk to all the dealers and read all the posts and all the beefs and kudos. I like to see users listing their best found airgun deals so we can get the best deals. Its what makes capitalism work!
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Sunnyside Scott.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 07/04/2003
I bought my S410E second hand, about 3 weeks ago. It was in like new condition. My first impressionn was that the trigger was a little mushy on the take up, It broke very clean though. A little lube spray in the trigger mechanism cleared that up. I was going to try to adjust it but the instructions intimidated me a little. I did encounter a problem. While shooting something came loose inside of the air chamber, you could hear it sliding back and forth. I shot all of the air out of the gun and un screwed the chamber. There was a long slender brass piece that came loose from its setscrew. I simply put it back on and tightened the set screw. To get the gun to fill from an empty state I had to cock the gun to relieve the pressure on the valve. By using a scuba tank I had no problem restoring pressure.
<br>I was interested in knowing the size of the o-ring on the mag. and breech. I know that they are not SAE, I couldn't find them at my local NAPA auto parts store.
<br>I am very happy with the gun, I think it is a great value for the money, accurate and hard hitting. My other gun is a Daystate Harrier SE .177 . My hunting partener shoots a Tarantula .22 cal and this gun can hold it's ground. SScott
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95951_Perl.'s Response to 61463_Ray.'s Review
Written on: 08/05/2003
Daytrader, BE CAREFUL and VIGILANT! Always be aware of your muzzle and its orientation! Treat all guns like they were always loaded and never drop your guard! Only cock the gun when a shot is needed.
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<br>Then you'll never have an accident and surround yourself with the same safety conscious shooters.
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★★★★★
“This Air Ams 410E rifle is extremely accurate where I...”
Written on: 26/12/2002 by Doug B.
This Air Ams 410E rifle is extremely accurate where I can group 1/2" groups at 50 yards using JSB Exacts. This rifle is nice in that it comes with a shrouded barrel which makes it quiet without a moderator. I have both the .22 and the .177 and from my experiences, the .177 is slightly more accurate than the .22, but the .22 has more power down the line. I use both almost equally, but for different purposes. If I want to shoot targets, I tend to grab my .177 and if I shoot rats and other... (read more)
★★★★★
“I have had hundreds of airguns as I repaired them for...”
Written on: 26/11/2002 by Alan in GA.
I have had hundreds of airguns as I repaired them for others for several years as a hobby. Being a certified diver I also happen to have 4 scuba tanks in the shop so a PCP gun was inevitable. I have had 5 other guns that have been purchased, played with [tested] and sold. This AA410E seemed to be the rifle that would be 'perfect' for me, and after only a couple of weeks I still love to take it out and test [ok, play...]with it. It IS quiet enough to allow back yard targeting. One MIGHT want... (read more)
53736_Mochamanz.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 26/11/2002
I love the AA 410E except for the magazine cover problem and the fact that AA does not make parts quickly enough. A serious flaw in the FAC version of this rifle is that the magazine "window" blows apart on some rifles. This makes me think about quality considerations as I know that the 10 shot capability is an add on feature of the design, that is to say that the rifle was originally a single shot system. A better engineering improvement would be to make the back of the magazine metal with a slot opening with which to veiw the load status of the magazine. The clear plastic is a weak point as far as quality and durability is concerned. I have spoken with the dealer I purchased the rifle from and I found out there are numerous incidents of shattering magazine covers. This diminishes the appeal of shooting the rifle. But otherwise the rifle is powerful and accurate, although the action is stiff, but may be so due to newness.
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53883_Alan In Ga.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 27/11/2002
Rumour has it that the plastic back plate had center hole drilled. Drilling was done with technique that left small stress cracks that weakened the edges of the hole. New magazines supposedly have this hole origionating in the molding process from the start. No more back plate problems. This is what I've "heard" so I am not sure of it's reality. No problems with my magazine so far.
As an exterminator, I have used single shots and actually prefer them for all shooting EXCEPT hunting feral pigeons inside airplane hangers at night. Then I prefer the magazine feed capability so I can keep my eyes on the "next" pigeon instead of fumbling with pellets.
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54430_Dnadoc.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 29/11/2002
I own 4 mags, 2 in .22 and 2 in .177. I had one with a cracked window which I recently lost through a hole in my pocket (whole magazine). My dealer sent a replacement plate for the window immediately which also cracked. Both of the windows were completely functional but I wanted to have them replaced. My understanding is exactly what Alan mentioned about the countersinking being added to the molding (instead of a machining step) and I also was told they might go back to Lexan which I think my 3 remaining magazines are. The window that was cracked seemed like it was of a different material and more brittle like polycarb. I've had no issues with the mag performance or the gun performance and have shot 10 tins of .22 crow mags, 10 tins of Kodiaks and 3 boxs of CP's on the .22 and 2 boxes of CP Heavies through the .177. I've been extremely happy with both guns!!
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54600_Dnadoc.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 29/11/2002
I just wanted to add to the last post after I reread it. The stress cracks on both the defective windows were cosmetic only and didn't affect the indexing or feeding performance. There should be no pressure on the gun when firing since the oring should protect the magazine from air pressure and the backside (black) part of the magazine is butted up against the brass breech insert which holds the oring. I know some guns who shot the gun without the mag in had the breech block slide out. Its held in by screws on the top of the receiver directly above the breech block and also loctited in.
My cracked mag windows still worked fine but being the anal retentive "A" type I had to have this fixed and the dealer sent them out no questions asked. When the second one also cracked he was out of the replacements and I was waiting for the new replacements to come in from AA. Now that I've physically lost that particular magazine in the field its a non issue.
HTH.
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54606_Starman.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 29/11/2002
My second 410E had one magazine that cracked shortly after I got it. The spare that I bought from Steve was fine upon arrival but cracked a week or so later during one of my cleaning sessions due to my son grossly overlubing the pellets and the subsequent gunk build up over the red dot reference marker on the aluminum magazine cylinder. Steve said that he'd replace the cracked plate when he got some in no questions asked and that there was a bad batch comming in from AA. No biggie cause it was just a stress crack and still was functional. It bugged me enough to make the phone call but not enough to worry about using it. Haven't had a jam yet with two rifles and my son is the type who last month tried to cram his magazine in upside down and then tried to push the bolt in hard enough to make a dent in the plastic. I pulled out the magazine and gave him a long lecture about paying attention to what you are doing with some colorful metaphors and explicatives. The gun was undamaged and still works fine.
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54749_Alan In Ga.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 30/11/2002
caliber thoughts = what do you think of your caliber choice? 177 to 22 comparison [I hope I don't have to save up for BOTH rifles!] thanks, Alan in ga.
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54844_Mochamanz.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 01/12/2002
I am suprised that so many of you guys had stress fractures only, I had the plastic blow violently out and had to search the area for the pieces. I also had to epoxy the thing together. I am quite pleased with the power,accuracy, appearance, and workmanship of the AA410E. I really love the finish quality of the rifle. Only the magazine covers and the lack of an "O" ring repacement kit disappoint me. I think that given the fact that "O" rings are items that wear out in service by design, there should be an option listed giving the customer the choice of obtaining them at point of purchase. I suspect some kind of "back pressure" is the culprit causing the cracked magazine covers. Maybe it is some kind of "O"ring failure that is causing my problem.
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54916_Alan In Ga.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 01/12/2002
The breech O ring would surely allow enough 'back flow' if it was worn or broken. If this is a common occurance I would think AA would have to go with a stronger plastic or forgo the 'see thru' aspect and make metal back plates. I hope we hear more of this problem.
The 410/400 seems to really be getting attention. I look forward to more opinions from both users and maybe even the factory. Such a successful rifle might be worth the 'fine tuning' to make it even better. thanks, Alan in GA.
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54981_Mochamanz.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 01/12/2002
Re Alan from GA. concerning Caliber: I use .22 almost to the exclusion of .177 due to the power and performance of .22 in comparison. I have to admit that I do not really have a clue as to any advantage to .177 pellets. My experience with .177 is that they overpenetrate and have less range due to weight, also they are likely to go supersonic in a PCP rifle. I love heavy pellets. In the AA410E, we are limited in pellet choice. (most repeating PCP rifles have this same limitation) Smooth skirted, round nosed pellets of moderate length are all that the magazine, and breech "O" rings will tolerate. The magazine is shallow and will not accommodate longer, heavier pellets, and the seals would be abraided and fail quickly if pellets with sealing ridges are used. What does this have to do with caliber? The heaviest pellets in .177 are too light for the longer ranges that I prefer.(without being effected by wind) Alternative pellets of heavy weight have some of the negative features I mentioned , and nobody makes really heavy .177 pellets. At the power output of the AA410E, I find .22 pellets to be flat enough as well as the power of this rifle will propel "heavies" at a really satifactory trajectory. I have tried Pyramid Air .22 caliber, 30 grain pellets in my 410 and it loved them. Sadly some custom pellets, the new copper tipped 30 and 35 grain from The Pelletman were too long for the shallow depth magazine Oh, before you comment, I was using Crossman Premiers and Beeman Kodiacs when the covers blew. The Pyramid pellets worked out fine even though I had to epoxy the cover after the blow-outs. Technically I have no argument against .177, As my involvement in the Airgun hobby matures, I like heavier projectiles for hunting, pest control. In that respect, the majority of PCP multi-shot manufacturing companies receive a "D" in design, due to the lack of choice given due to "O" ring usage in area's where pellet design is a wear/failure factor as well as shallow magazines. I think pellet choice is as important overall in achieving the power and accuracy desired as the power of the rifle is. (I have not seen heavier offerings in .177 pellets than the Beeman Kodiac.) Better, they are inter-related and one can boost or defeat the other. In this equation, I do not see the usefulness of .177, unless we are talking about a weaker airgun. I have a Korean made .22 rifle that is a repeater and that accepts virtually any configuration of heavy pellet, so I do have something to compare features with in this regard. Most of my .177 rifles are springers where the weight of the pellet is even more critical and light is good, and even the heavy pellets are "light"
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55065_Starman.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 02/12/2002
I read on the yellow forum that replacement orings for the 410E in .22 was -009 and one guy was experimenting with Viton (easy to get locally) but Urethane orings come in the guns. I agree that oring spares for every one use on the guns should come with them!! They are consumable items after all. At the very least the dealers should carry them.
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55066_Dnadoc.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 02/12/2002
Wow, shattered window! The only thing I could think of is that there is some pressure leaking from the oring around the bolt. I read on the yellow board that when the Oring wears out there is a loud bang from the breech each time you fire the gun from the air leaking by the bolt. Do you hear this? Its probably pretty obvious cause all you hear when you fire the gun is the "ping" of the hammer spring. Nasty issue you have there. What did your dealer do? He should replace the window/magazine Johnny on the spot - no questions asked!! As for Caliber, I love my .177 for shooting tweeties and starlings at my friends ranch. I turn the gun down to shoot Crosman Premier lights at 880 fps and get 60+ shots per filling. I also shoot RWS Super Hollow Points at 850fps and get about 70+ shots per filling. They are not quite as accurate as the premiers but good enough for sparrows at 40yds! The 177 is even quieter than the .22 and I've been shooting it alot lately.
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55207_Mochamanz.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 02/12/2002
I am happy to say that the dealer did promise replacements, however, the covers have been unavailable for some time, dealer blames AA for the problem. I do not know why Something so simple has to be so difficult to get, but that's what I hear. I did not hear any blast from the breech, just the shattering if the plastic. I am very suprised that I am having any problems at all out of the rifle. I have yet to fire more than maybe 300 rounds through the thing, with the feeling that maybe something hidden is amiss. As I said earlier, things like this take the joy out of shooting a piece.
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56935_Pneuman.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 10/12/2002
FYI - I have 4 mags and had one that had a cracked window. Steve didn't have any spare windows and he told me to send in my cracked window and he sent me out a new one. He said he'd replace the windows on his magazines when AA sent out the replacements I've even heard of him doing this for a guy who didn't buy his gun from him. Makes sense to me to get new loyal customers.
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57181_Mochamanz.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 11/12/2002
Well, my dealer finally got me replacement magazines for the cracked windows. I feel that the dealer really came through because I was not charged for the two new Mags ! ! I guess AA is just a little behind in production of the mag covers. Concerning loyalty, I am really happy with my dealer and the way I did get replacements, so I will continue to deal with this site. The rifle is enjoyable to shoot when at least dealer support is fair and honest. Experience is better by far than word of mouth because I have read articles in publications about products and been stung badly even recently. Finally I am happy and satisfied.
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57403_Pneuman.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 12/12/2002
Mocha, didn't mean to come off like pressuring for another dealer. Just offerin some alternatives. I didn't want to see anyone unhappy with a 410E. Figured that if you were down and out with a bad mag, well that could be easily fixed. Good Shootin!!
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62474_Tony.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 04/01/2003
I have noticed more & more of people having problems with the 410 magazine covers cracking/exploding. I too have had this problem and had to glue mine back together. Anyway, I plan to fabricate a couple of magazine covers, as well as a couple of complete magazines. They will be constructed of either aluminum, titanium, or stainless steel. After construction is complete and all have been severely tested, I will share my designs with other s410e owners, free of charge-Im not in the business of manufacturing parts, etc... .Overall, the whole thing should be fairly simple and easy, for anyone of basic mechanical abilities to do.
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63053_Mochamanz.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 07/01/2003
I have not shot as much as I normally would have due to the holidays. I still think there is an "o" ring problem that requires sorting out. Either there is a problem with air escaping back past the "pellet injector/sealing rod" (do not know the proper nomenclature) or there is an unknown air vent ported to the magazine. In any event, not wanting to run this fine rifle down, I do think this is a fine example of a product being adapted to an additional purpose not originally contemplated in the original design. (My issues with the magazine, however would not cause me to hesitate to purchase this rifle today, I feel that I must say this in all honesty.) In a single shot piece, blowback would not even be evident to a shooter unless of course one recieved an eyefull of air. The problem MUST be improper "o" ring diameter. I am interested in your modification. I will consider this for the future... meaning after I am over the disruption of the holidays.
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64749_Leadzeppelin.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 13/01/2003
I just bought a bag of Viton -009 sized Orings from my local hydraulic shop for pennies. I was anticipating this oring wearing out eventually from some posts on the yellowboard but not until many thousand rounds but I wanted to have some spares when they failed. I already replaced my seal and it works fine. Sorry to hear of your magazine issues but I think replacing the seal might help. The post I read about blown seals said that the noise at the breech is quite loud when the seal goes. You won't have any question that the seal is gone with the loud noise. The replacement was quite easy and painless. I am using 1-Lube for my pellets and I saw tests where this doesn't attack the orings over time like FP-10. I've only got one magazine and luckily its fine, but I can sympathize with those that have issues. I am a new 410 owner with little experience but thought I'd pass this information along as I've been reading and studying the owner history of this fine rifle series.
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67347_Dragoon.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 23/01/2003
I took out the oring on my .22 410E and realized that the original is metric and the -008 for .177 and the -009 for .22 are slightly larger cause they are US Mil standards rather than the Urethane British Metric Orings AA uses. Since they are a bit larger they should seal better and if you lube with Slik 50 One Lube there shouldn't be any chemical breakdown by using Viton for oring material. I read the post of the guy on the yellow board and I think its a great idea. I bought some spares and they replace alot easier than Urethane and will probably last nearly as long since they are 75 durometer vs. 90. I'm now using the -009 in my .22 and its been fine. I bought a bagfull for $3... I am also using these -009 orings in my Tarantula which blew out its seal midsummer after getting caught in the bolt and getting gouged. It started to make loud noises so I replaced the seal and realized that all PCP's eat seals over time and one should have some backups since this is a wearable item like tires on your car.
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68874_Jackhammer.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 29/01/2003
I have 1 410E in .177 and 2 in .22. I have 3 .177 mags and 6 in .22. Since I bought the guns in late 2000 I think predated the magazine hubub and loose spring inside the airtube that I've read about on the US forums. Most guns that had the magazine issues were bought after April of 01 according to my dealer. My 3 guns have been absolutely flawless in performance and one of the .22 cal 410E's was handed over to my ranch foreman who carry's it in his truck with a 17 cubic foot carbon tank and regulator my wife brought home from her hospice business and shoots every day all year around. Mine are not quite that active. Unfortunately his gun has had all the finish worn off the stock where his hands touch the gun in a normal hold and that is the only failing that I can say about the gun. It's been in a dusty hot environment since October 2000 and hasn't even every been cleaned. It is shooting lubed Ram Jets with Remington spray Oil and I'm told its taking squirrels and rabbits at 70 yds regularly. I think he shoots all day long and after spending $400 on Beeman pellets last year he outa be a pretty good shot on my tab. It's a great testamony to the AA410E design and quality. I know my guns don't get rattled around on the rack of a pickup truck all summer long in the Arizona heat and I don't think many others do either. I should take the gun in for service since my dealer is just down the road, But if it ain't broke don't fix it!
I just wanted to mention this particular rifle since it's gotta be one of the most abused and used PCP's out in the field today still going strong.
Hey can somebody tell me more about this power mod for adjustable power? Sounds pretty good to get more shots and drop the velocity and still have max power if you want. Any bad points to this upgrade besides being without a gun for a while?
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Mochamanz.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 30/01/2003
I have been looking for "O"ring replacements with some luck. My blowby problem has decreased to the point I am confident that my problem is minimized enough to shoot without concern. I read with interest the comments concerning the power mods. This apparently is a simple mechanical obstuction which decreases airflow to the breech. I have heard that it is a Grubscrew which can be turned in and out for the desired effect. While adjustability is really nice and can make an airgun super versatile, I prefer to use this feature as a design feature of the airgun, that is to say NOT as a modification of an existing gun. I own an Airforce Talon SS which is infinitly adjustable right out of the box. That was a sales point for the piece. I bought the AA410E for the raw power and accuracy, which was the selling feature of this piece. My point is that an airgun model or brand obviously has dominant feature(s) which makes that model or brand unique from any others. I feel that a "mod" that intoduces the possibility of problems is not desirable. The main problem is that the modification being offered is not engineered correctly because a screw being run in and out will eventually wear. (both on itself and within the body it is screwed into) It is guaranteed to be a point of leakage down the road. I might feel better about it if the added feature was some sort of mechanically correct valve arrangement. An actual valve would be acceptable.I have lots of experience with screws leaking due to wear, even tapered screws are questionable due to wear making the protude deeper into the airflow as wear increases. The result of this would be a decrease on the maximum effective velocity over time. Yes, I expect many years of use from this or any other airgun. In fact I fully expect the AA410E to be an heirloom to be passed on and on. The quality is certainly there in the piece. In fact the only other real flaw (besides the "O" ring wear)is the lack of a setable safety. At any rate this is my concern with modifying without thinking about hundreds or even thousands of tweakings over a long period of time. Mechanical wear is a reality with any product that must be sorted out completely before making any changes. Anyhow, I guess I am a "purist".
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69181_Alan In Ga.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 30/01/2003
I saw a picture of the mod screw in what appeared to be the side of the receiver. I do a little machining, and the threaded hole I saw is not what I want in the side of my rifle. I would probably try a 400/410 Classic hammer spring in my 'E' rifle for slightly slower velocity/increased number of shots. Possibly the hammer weight in a 'classic' is less also and could be tried. I like the 'E' as it is. I would like to try a few other rifles now that I'm convinced of the quality of the 400/410-I would like to shoot a 177 version, and both calibers in a 'Classic' version also. Just some thoughts.
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69301_Krishna.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 31/01/2003
Jack, you wanted to know about the power mod. I will tell you what I know. I bought my .22 410E with the power mod from Steve at Pomona Air Guns in Victorville, Ca. I think the power mod is very easy to use without taking off the stock. I chose to turn the screw in all the way for a reference as the lowest power setting. At that setting 5.50 JSB dome pellets are going almost 500 fps exactly. At 1 turn open they are going 860 fps which is where I like to shoot them to maximize my shots from fill to fill. At 3.5 turns open my gun is shooting very heavy Kodiaks at 850 fps. When I turn the power all the way down and then back again the chronograph gives me the same reading and the screw doesn't move or work loose during long shooting sessions. The argument that some have voiced of the threads on the screw or the aluminum body wearing out or leaking are quite unfounded. One is only turning the screw occaisionally a turn or two at the most. If the screw was moving alot for example 4-5 turns back and forth constantly then I could possibly agree stronger materials should be used. This adjustment will last a lifetime, of that I am sure. I often compare my velocity figures with others who have reported on the internet and my numbers are quite similar. Please make up your mind based on those who have used this adjustment and who have it. As someone else has mentioned on these 410E reviews "no one who owns this mod is unsatisfied". I was almost convinced to not buy this feature from one e-shop owner who threw the same argument at my feet. I questioned him and found they did not service what they sold which destroyed their credibity in my book and I decided to buy from Pomona who will fix all they sell under warranty except for the Beeman line. They do machine work and tunes as well.
However, I can see someone not wanting to drill on a new gun as I was until the gun arrived and I was able to experiment with settings and the results of the chronograph.
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69303_Cattleman.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 31/01/2003
Jack, I enjoyed reading your testamonial on your foreman's 410E. I live in eastern Oregon on a 500 acre cattle ranch which is rich with ground squirrels and starlings. I'm retired and turned the ranch over to my son and grandson. While my 410E is under used like yours my grandson turned 15 last fall and we got him a new 410E like mine only his has the power mod. I bought Ronnie's gun from Pomona and it was cheaper with the power mod than what I paid for mine without and the wood on Ronnie's gun is much nicer. We only had to wait 2 days extra for the installation and the kid has been shooting and tinkering with that grub screw every darn day since he got the gun with no troubles. If that grub screw can survive a 16 year old kid constantly changing the damn thing it should be as powerful a testamonial as your foreman. I spent the best afternoon with him shooting starlings from behind milking stations shooting side by side with my grandson. He's good enough to pump up my gun when it runs out when he's around. He lets me shoot his gun when he's doing his chores cause getting 10 more shots before pumping means alot to this old fat cowboy with bad knees. I just know to reset that grub screw back to 1 turn open with Premiers and I'm zero'd at 40 yards.
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69307_Meister Jaeger.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 31/01/2003
I bought the power mod when I bought my 410E. If you want to only shoot the gun at the highest power with heavy pellets then you don't need the power mod. I don't worry about the screw wearing out or looking tacky.
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69310_Gaston.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 31/01/2003
Jack, if you're interested in the power mod and are worried whether it works or not - call the US Importer - Boris at Top Gun in Scottsdale whom I think is your dealer - or AoA since they are "just down the road". He's got power mods on his guns and AA has sent some over from England to be installed. That sold me - I added mine after the fact and paid for shipping to and from and haven't ever regretted it. Mine doesn't leak or isn't wearing out.
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69380_Alan In Ga.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 31/01/2003
Well, I guess I'd better look at an actual power mod instead of just a digital picture of one what with all those testimonials. I enjoyed the power ajustability of the Talon SS I had very much. My AA410E is the only one I've ever seen here in the Atlanta area. PCP guns seem slow to grow, or folks are just keeping quiet about them. But then, we all are trying to keep our neighbours from "hearing" our PCPs,,,maybe we've been succesful!
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69536_Mochamanz.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 01/02/2003
Oops, I didn't mean to strike a nerve out there, but I cannot agree with the power mod on MY airgun, but as with anything else it is your choice..... I work with Aluminum all the time and I know that it will gall eventually. Best wishes to all who wish to modify their airguns and good luck. Dealers or not, I guess there are people who love to tweak things and people who do not. Oh on the same subject, can't a shooter vary the "chrono" stats as to velocity by varying the pellet wieght? I shoot every type of pellet I can find in every airgun I use and I can shoot super heavies for low velocity or light ones for speed. This I can do in a non-adjustable airgun... The pelletman sells 35 grain .22 pellets if you want to try something heavy (although you can only shoot them single shot in the 410E due to the magazine shallowness) I still think it is a mistake to mod an airgun if you are not going factory direct. OPINION MINE !
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69978_Meister Jaeger.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 03/02/2003
Mocha, no nerve struck with me. This site is all about opinions and reviews based on your experiences with the products. I just gave an alternate view to yours based on my experience. There is no right or wrong and a site is more credible with both sides of an issue stated. It's up to the reader to decide. Looking at products objectively is only good for the public who reads this. I've seen comments about this review site that it is a joke concerning the content of useful information but I think there is some good information here.
Actually regarding the power mod I felt the same way you did at one time - but now I don't.
The main reason I got the mod was to get more shots with a slight decrease in ft.lbs. I just want to squeeze another 10-15 shots off a fill and if I can do this for example by dropping JSB velocities from 980 to 850 then its useful for me. Good shooting and keep stating your opinions, even when they get some responses.
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70246_Starman.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 04/02/2003
Jack, the Power Mod is a good choice if you want to have the ability to shoot pellets at lower speeds. It's not for everybody but the main benefit is to get more shots between fills. I had to be talked into it cause I was scared off by another dealer (I won't mention who) who played into my fear of ruining a brand new gun. Curiosity got the best of me when I saw chrony strings and pictures on the yellowboards of a few guys last year who posted their power mod numbers and shot counts so I figured I'd take a chance. Paid off well for me but I own many light to heavy pellet weights and like to experiment with speeds/accuracy. Lately though I've been shooting JSB's at 855 ave or so cause it works so well. I also shoot Lasers at min power off my deck at Starlings and Grackles to keep the noise down and not rile the neighbors. If only I could get some stealth pellets that didn't make a crack when they hit the targets.
Oh yes, I get 50 shots per fill too! I saw Danny's 410E vs. other airgun charts on the yellow board. I think the power mod flattens out the curve pretty well. I'll have to confirm that with some afternoon chrony work but I'm really curious what the curve will look like. I hope others do some curve and string publishing too. That is what this mod is all about!
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70324_Schmierpintzel.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 04/02/2003
It's very interesting dialogue on the power adjustment upgrade. Here is my thought offering. I try this feature when I bought the gun and use it quite successfully. I can see the argument for not drilling holes in the new guns but I doubt threads and the grub screw to wear out or leak. It is a very simple and useful idea.
No offence taken by the way by any earlier opinion... also I am just saying my opinion now. This gun with the power mod upgrade was cheaper than the plain gun from all other e-dealers. I have a shooting friend from Germany who shoots an AirArms 310 with the factory adjustable power but the adjustment range is not so wide.
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70523_Krishna.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 04/02/2003
Definitely no anxiety here. I was just expressing: OPINION MINE!
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70533_Ray.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 04/02/2003
I've got the powermod on a .22 410E but was thinking about putting it on my Karbine. Wouldn't trade it for the world. If you get this when you buy the gun you save shipping charges - but I'm still thinking about doing this for the Karbine (bought it used - no shroud)
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73239_Dnadoc.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 16/02/2003
The power mod really shines on my .177. It gets around 60 honest shots 200-150 bar set to JSB Exacts at 900. I've taken alot of Jack Rabbits with it but usually I use my .22. I can shoot JSB Exacts at 850 and get 50 shots.
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74703_Lief Rahr.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 22/02/2003
My magazine covers were blowing out a while ago. I was a dufus and didn't realize my breech seals were very blown which made the cracked magazine covers to blow out of the gun. I had overtightend the magazine screw, causing the window to crack from the screw and go all the way out to the edge of the magazine. The force of the air leaking by my bolt caused the window parts to fly out 2 times - Over time the loud noise crept in gradually and I didn't notice it getting louder and louder. My son finally clued me in and after I replace the oring (after I read a post from Storm Trooper) everything is fine now. I got the third free replacement cover from my dealer that wasn't cracked and carefully tightened the screw and stoped without hardly any pressure on the window. I've shot about 2 tins now without any issues. I really like this gun now that it's shooting back to normal.
I think the magazines are way over priced. $45 is robbery!! I noticed other places charge $60~!!
Thanks for sharing the know how to fix this rifle!
Lief Rahr
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74705_Gordon.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 22/02/2003
Hey I think I like this adjustable power option. Thanks to all for speakin your mind on this both pro and con - I'm gonna take my 410E to Pomona AG and have him tune my spring guns too. I visit Ontario California often so now I have an excuse to visit him. He said to drop on by for a visit when I'm in town and he'd show me all the guns he had in stock. I used to hate going to Ontario! Now I can't wait!!
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75449_Mochamanz.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 25/02/2003
I have read the large number of positive responses to the "power Mod". A couple of questions. I guess so many people cannot be wrong, but, how long have you guys had the "power mod" option installed and in use? How many adjustments have been made to tweak the power of your rifles? And I guess the last question is, why buy a gun that has the power of the AA410E in the first place if the NUMBER of shots so far exceeds the POWER of the shots in importance.... Why not buy a less powerful airgun that uses less air? Would you not then get more shots per fill? I bought the AA410E for the power and range. If I want less power, I have rifles which are adjustable or, that have less power, so, more shots. I guess I have a "stock" configuration mentality. I still would like to know how long you guys have had the "mod" in place and how often do you use it. Anyhow, I was just wondering. I don't really get it I suppose.... I am horrified at the thought of changing the rifle. (if it aint broke, don't fix it) trust me...
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76275_Starman.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 28/02/2003
Good questions - Here is a breakdown of why the 410E powermod (for me anyway - can't speak for the other gents)
I bought my gun in 7/00 with Power Mod.
Highest power in its class
Magazine: 10 shots
Capacity: 314cc
Weight: 7.5lbs
Great trigger
adjustable power without taking off stock
$625 with power mod
I adjust the power about 5-6 times per week - shoot 12 months a year and most weekends and almost every night unless the grandkids are over.
I shoot almost everyday in the backyard and turn the power down to JSB's to 500 fps for bird feeder mauraders - full power ricochet's and goes too far. On weekends I shoot in the foothills for rabbits and need full throttle Kodiaks or Crow Magunms. I also like to shoot starlings with JSB's or Crosman Premiers at 850-860 in a blind so I like to get almost 50 shots before having to top off. If I fill I can spook birds and screw up my son's shooting - he shoots springers - so I can shoot all morning without filling. I can shoot with all these power levels - pellet combinations on the same scope setting and compensate by mil dots. I get max power and adjustability and efficiency with fairly large capacity. I had a Super-10 which was the closest competition but only got 50 shots with 400cc, it weighted 8.5lbs and was barrel heavy to me and there no easy user power adjustability without spring replacement. I didn't like the BSA mags as well as the 410E. I will say this, I look forward to the FXterminator for function and I'll be buying one when they come shrouded and the test results are good. Power adjustability, air capacity, shroud and rapid fire - FX could stand a 12 shot mag. My humble opinion only of course for my needs. I hope that helps you understand my perversion for this gun. Its about making the 410E fit your shooting requirements with only one gun. If I could afford it I'd have a Theoben Rapid - large capacity, 12 shots, adjustable power - but $1500.
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76518_Dragoon.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 01/03/2003
I bought my 410E in Nov 2000. I shoot in my outdoor range in the evenings after work and on the weekends in the field. I usually turn the power down all the way and do some H&N paper shooting or do some Silhouette at full power. On the weekends, I like to take possum and squirrels on my property with Crow Magnums or H&N Barracuda Match and turn the gun to max power to do this. I fiddle with the power mod alot. I can have max power and low power with more shots too. I find that around 50 shots is enough for a session between fillings of air when taking a walk. More would be better but 50 is possible. The 410E with power mod makes that happen for me with Crosman Copperhead Pointed Pellets.
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76667_Meister Jaeger.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 01/03/2003
If not for the cost - I'd love to have a specific air rifle for every use like clubs in my golf bag... But I have 3 sons and can only afford a few rifles at $800-$1000 a pop after scope, mounts, spare magazines etc. Not to say that I won't probably end up with 10-20 of those in the next 5 years - he he. Been averaging one $1000-1500 class gun per year. I think the 410E fills a power/air capacity/efficiency/mag capacity/cost/accuracy niche that is putting it at the head of the pack right now. If you can adjust the power - why not? Makes it all the better-shoot full power and then go home and plink in the house or find a good pellet weight and a very moderate accurate speed to shoot it at. With the new Falcon Ti, FXterminator and other innovative designs (that are comming very slowly - probably cause we Yanks aren't in the design process) all guns will probably have on the fly adjustability, built in shrouds, huge air capacity, 20 round mags, under 6lbs and pump or other actions that allow decocking without having to worry about chambering a second round in the action.
<br>To answer the questions - I've got four 410E's in .22 with 3 having the power mod and one without bought second hand. I adjust my power often can't speak for my sons. My youngest (16) has the used full power only gun and is now learning how to shoot. We all shoot in the garage and turn the guns down to the lowest setting and have family matches. I only have one 45 cu. ft. Kevlar HP Airtank between 4 410E's so the boys have quickly learned to maximize their ftlb/shots per fill/accuracy curve. They can easily drain the tank in one shooting session so they have learned to turn the guns down to a power level to allow them enough power to hit out to 50yds and still get 50 or so shots per fill.
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77202_Daytrader.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 04/03/2003
Has anyone had a close call with this gun due to its lack of a safety? Just wondering here.
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77461_Jurgen Reinschlammer.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 05/03/2003
I've been reading carefully every review about the 410E here about the power modification adjustment screw upgrade and also watching airgun websites. I was looking for the owner of power modification upgrades who was complaining or not so happy with the results. I know very much why someone would want power adjustability but I was just worried about losing maximum velocity or if you can adjust to the same place consistently. I did not think about getting more shots but that would indeed be quite welcome. Some guys mention 10-20 more shots before filling - does anyone challenge this fact? I want to know if this is truth or the stretching. Has anyone noticed less noise which can spook the game? I only want to see owners and not the imagination.
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77935_Gaston.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 07/03/2003
No close calls, I always treat all guns like they were loaded and cocked without a safety all the time. Vigilance works for me.
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78204_Kelly.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 08/03/2003
This is the only issue that I've had which is really an overdone trigger adjustment and not really the lack of a safety. Still I feel compelled to share this.
<br>Despite my dealers emphatic and animated warnings, I lightened the trigger on my 410E to the point it ALMOST went off by itself - JUST LIKE MY DEALER WARNED ME NOT TO DO! He even warned me twice in the same phone call explicitly that this could happen. While it seemed fine while shooting at the range - I turned the second stage adjustment to an incredibly light pull - great for sandbags. The minute I took the gun out in the field I put a pellet in the chamber and it discharged at the same time up into a tree the gun was pointed at - the second shot held for about 20 seconds and then went off into the air. I stood quite sober at the thought of it possibly going off at my sister or girlfriend that sometimes comes with. I've since listened to every word my dealer has told me and have my trigger adjusted much heavier and lightly pound the but pad of the stock on solid ground with the gun cocked to test for accidental discharge. That's my close call learning lesson. You guys are probably smarter than this but just in case...
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79181_Dean.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 11/03/2003
Would someone please send me the Pamona Airgun web address and or email address(been seein all the talk about this place for the adjustable pressure modification on the 410E)...thanx in advance
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79577_Dnadoc.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 13/03/2003
Dean, here is Steve's website.
<br>http://www.pomona-airguns.com/
<br>phone 1 760 244 8271 I heard call between 5-6 PST
<br>He doesn't have email at all - its a pain to call but you should always talk to your airgun dealer.
<br>Steve price matches when he can and ships free when he can't lower prices. He's a great source of knowledge who does tunes and shop work on airguns.
<br>As far as the power mod goes it works great - I've got 2 410E's, a 410C and the carbine with power mods on each. They work great!
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80445_James.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 16/03/2003
Hi
<br>Mocha Man or any others from the Pacific Northwest area.
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<br>I am in the Seattle area. I am very new to this sport/hobby. I just found out not a lot of people shoot airguns. Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. e-mail me ...maybe we can shoot together. pacific_man1@hotmail.com
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<br>Thanks
<br>James
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Islandermike.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 10/06/2003
I've had my modified S10E for quite sometime and have enjoyed it without a problem until two months ago. I think due to frequent tinkiring of the power adjustment screw, somehow it is getting loose and air starts to sip through. I am a little dissappointed but not thoroughly because I really enjoyed this accurate and reliable gun. In fact I am going to buy another one just before I retire from the military which is just a little less than a year from now. This time though, I am not going to get it modified and have to think that whatever happened to my first gun will ever happen again.
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108886_Cattleman.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 19/06/2003
I had the same thing last month with my grandson playing with the adjustment screw all the time. It didn't leak till last month when I saw he was adjusting everytime he took a shot at somethin. I had to set him straight about this. He knows to set the power now and leave it once you start shooting one pellet and stay with it. I took the grub screw out and coated the threads with blue loctite and wiped some off it and let it dry before putting it back in the gun. It coated the threads some and seals so the air doesn't leak around the threads anymore. I was shootin through a chrony and ya can't tell the diff tween fore and after so it wasn't leakin enough to affect bullet speed. I put some spit on the screw area and it doesn't leak at all but still turns easily so ya don't strip out the hex drive. I just got my rifle back with the power mod and it's workin fine.
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108946_Bigal1911.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 19/06/2003
Islander,
<br>You are the first person to report ANY problems with the power adjustment modification on this airgun. All other negative feedback has been theoretical by persons not owning the weapon, or had aesthetic concerns, or bought their gun from a source not offering the mod.
<br>I have ordered the S410 E with the mod and expect delivery in less than a week. I have talked with Steve @ Pomona extensively and prowled this and other web sites prior to this purchase. Likely all who contemplate the purchase of an airgun in this price range do extensive research prior to purchase. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who would like to see you send your gun back to Steve to be reviewed and corrected. Then we could have an idea as to the potential for problems with the mod. I will call Steve and give him a credit card # to cover postage and repair, if repair is possible, should you choose to send it in.
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109115_Islandermike.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 20/06/2003
Please don't think that the power mod is not good because I enjoyed the gun with it. It is just that when I retire, I will be doing a lot of hunting and I want all the power of the gun. I bought two scuba tanks and I also have a pump so getting more shots from a fill is not important. I also use heavy pellets so lowering the power is no longer necessary. In an impulse, I gave the gun to my cousin (surprise of the leak and frustrated), I think he already got it fixed by having it plugged permanently. But if you want to get the power mod, go right ahead. I think it is a matter of how and where you will use your gun.
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110635_Pelleteer.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 25/06/2003
Lots of great information here on the track record of this rifle. I wasn't aware there were so many 410E owners around. I own one in each caliber and have only had to replace the magazine index finger on one gun and the breech seals after about 10K rounds on both. My dealer Pomona Air Guns promptly send me a replacement and also AA sent a free pair of replacements mag index fingers. Mine have been working great since Jan 2001.
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110751_Spatterson.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 26/06/2003
I have a 410E in .22 with the power mod and I've been using it for about 2 years. I've shot about 20 tins of Kodiaks, 6 boxes of CP's and 22 packs of Crosman pointed pellets which is around 12,600 pellets so far. I shoot the Kodiaks wide open and turn the gun down to one turn open for the CP and pointed pellets so I adjust the power fairly often from one turn open all the way to 4 turns open. I don't have any leaks or issues with my grub screw. I am noticing some leakage and noise around my breech so I fear the breech seal is going south. My dealer is sending over some N/C for me to replace. I also just bought a second magazine which really makes shooting more fun. I really love this gun and am seriously thinking about a second one in .177 in the carbine model. Does anyone have a carbine with the power mod and numbers of shots per charge/velocities? I also wanted to mention that my stock is the best fitting that I have ever had. I bought a Sightron 4-16x42 MD scope and I can't put this gun down. I have just been turned on to JSB by a forum reader who sent me a tin to try. I am going to order a case of them since they work so well.
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114645_Bigal1911.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 10/07/2003
Let me clarify the function of the power modification. It is a physical impedence in the transfer port. Opening the port further allows more air to pass and closing it allows less air to pass through. There is no physical way the alteration of the gun by placing a screw into the transfer port can cause ANY leakage of air from the air cylinder. If this is happening then you have a bad seal, likely from using the wrong type of lube. Permanently sealing the screw hole WILL NOT fix it. Look at a drawing of the action and it is quite obvious. THe only way any air is going to leak at the screw is if the non-permanent sealant applied at the time of installation wears out. Then there may be a discernable puff of air at the screw upon firing. this would be easily corrected, if deemed a problem, by doping the threads.
<br>It seems there is a deliberate attempt to discredit the modification by a competing entity. No wonder, since they are undoubtedly loosing business because of all the positive feedback from satisfied people with the modification.
<br>I recieved my gun recently and am quite delighted. My experience is too limited to pontificate on it's merits or weaknesses but I must say I prefer it to my TX200SR for most uses. I just don't want others to read some of the rubbish bashing the power modification and take it too seriously. Please do your own research.
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114910_Islandermike.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 11/07/2003
I am merely stating what is going on with my S410E. I respect that you are enjoying your gun that much and I also want to let you know that I am not associated with any airgun dealers. As far as I am concerned, it seems that you are the one who is associated or promoting a dealership. You must remember, I got my modification at the same place you got yours.
Good luck on your gun 4-5 years from now.
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115032_Pelleteer.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 12/07/2003
BigAl1911, where in Idaho are you from? Good to see another AA410E fan out here this this state. I was amazed to see how many there are dispersed throughout the US. I've got one in each caliber both with the power mod and my airgun buddy is waiting for a .177 which should be here at customs and then the power mod after Steve returns from vacation on the 15th.
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116359_Jjmagnus.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 17/07/2003
I just noticed this site from another airgun link page and realized that there is an add on adjustable power adjustment screw! I bought my 410E already and the damn salesman didn't even mention this feature to me. I just spoke with two other internet dealers I found from websites and they told me to NEVER GET THE adjustment screw put on but I just spent the last hour reading all the posts here of owners and it seems pretty popular. I think I'll have to do more calling and since I'm going to buy another 410E in .177 I'll just have to get that one with the adjustable power screw so I can test it. $60 is nothing compared to the total cost of the gun with mounts, scope and pellets.
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116470_Bigal1911.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 17/07/2003
Pelleteer,
<br>I'm in Idaho Falls. Drop me a line @ Bigal1911@ida.net.
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117672_Brandondeboer.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 22/07/2003
I've been reading about PCP's for the last year and now I've got enough to buy a 410E. After reading about all the guns in this $600ish price range and after handling the FX Timberwolf and the Career's I am going to get the 410E with the power adjustment. I read that the .177's are a put a deposit down and wait affair but I'll probably get a .22 at first since I'll be hunting 100% of the time. I've read alot of the issues on this site and others and I'm confident that the 410E is the best choice. Thanks to all who have posted.
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117991_Mochamanz.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 23/07/2003
Hey guys ! I am reading the posts sent concerning the power mod. Seeing as I was the first to mention wear as a posible problem down the line, I feel obligated to inform those who think a commercial motivation is behind my questioning of the power mod, I have the disclaimer that I am simply a hobbyist with a concern for keeping a fine airgun for long term use. I never meant to spark such controversy over the power mod. having said this, i must say, never in a million years would i change a gun from the optimum, as built design... I have several airguns. If a gun does not perform as needed...get one that does. I would never grind down a hammer because i needed a knife....
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118157_Jd.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 23/07/2003
My Airgun Purchase investigation summary:
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<br>I've just read all the threads on the 410E which all seems to be US shooters probably because its an FAC rifle. I've been reading and calling dealers and checking all information I could find on this rifle since for the money it seems to offer more than any other gun and provide the goods where it is greatly needed ie wonderful fitting stock and shroud. Its great to see all the issues with this gun - it seems that most the guys posting here don't have the magazine or baffle issues like the ones on the SS board(newer shooters from what I gather based on their questions/comments) or the Yellow Board or Delphi. I see several trends that most of the shooters here are:
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<br>1 - Dealer - Many shooters are buying from Pomona Airguns and seem to be happy. Some who bought from other vendors expressed that they wished they had bought from Pomona due to price and savings on getting the power mod without having to send the gun back. Other dealers seem to be steering customers away since they don't offer this service. I was warned by some of the dealers by phone that this would void the warranty, cause leakage somewhere in the gun, destroy the resale value, dimish performance on the high end, not be consistent or repeatable, not hold a constant setting, reduce the number of shots between fills and look really ugly. I found out that Air Arms and Boris at Top Gun the distributor apparantly have had this mod done to their personal guns. When I called Pomona I found good advice and no negative comments about other dealers. I can't say the same for any of the other dealers... Seems its a pretty dog eat dog environment out there. I think they are upset about the price matching and introduction of competetive pricing.
<br>2 - Calibers - Many have both calibers in the 410E and like them both. From the limited data on number of increased shots it seems you get more increased shots from turning power down on a .177 rather than a .22. I've read 60 shots on .177 premiers at 900 vs. 45 shots on .22 premiers at 900. Not the greatest comparison but it gives you an rough idea of what to expect.
<br>3 - Power Mod - Many have the power mod and those who own it are pleased according to the posts here on this site. Like one of the posters mentioned "no owner of the power mod has complained" Some are concerned that the mod will wear in time and one post described a teenager constantly turning the screw and causing air leakage which was fixed with thread sealant that was applied and cured before replacing the screw. The issue seemed to be fixed satisfactorily. There are some who prefer to shoot their guns full power and do not wish to drill and tap their guns which I can understand. There didn't seem to be any posting of any diminished top end velocity or loss of shots per fill or complaints of cosmetics from any of the adjustable mod owners. Many who don't have the power mod are sending their guns in to get it done. Those who have done this seem to be happy. Most are reporting increased amount of shots without adverse issues.
<br>4 - Magazine Problems - Some have had magazine issues but they seem to have worn breech seals which caused air leakage and blew the faceplates apart. AA has issued several replacement faceplates but the yellow tinted faceplates seem to have fixed the problem. It seems the early magazines are still working fine with many rounds on them.
<br>5 - Baffles Blowing Out - There is little or no mention of any baffles blowing out here in any posts but the yellow board and SS had many issues for a while apparently in cold weather. The baffles were plastic and contracting and eventually sliding out. The distributor was replacing these but some had them blow out as well. I would think some epoxy would help this since they are press fit into the shroud from what I've read. There were also some internal part that was rattling loose that required the gun be dismantled. Most sent the gun back for warranty repair and one machinist/poster offered some photo's and a longer grub screw to make sure this issue didn't repeat itself. It seemed to be limited to only on a few rifles and I've not read or heard of any others having this. Some are getting Pomona to mill out Beeman cocking handles to fit on the end of the shroud and keep the baffles from sliding out.
<br>6 - Value - Some like this modestly priced gun better than their Daystates or FX guns. There seems to be a few posts of FX owners mentioning their valves breaking after 10,000 - 20,000 rounds.
<br>7 - Owner distribution - The demographics of this gun indicate that owners are spread out all over the US with alot of owners in the Pacific Northwest.
<br>8 - Features - From the owner posts I've noticed the mention of the built in shroud, manometer, great fitting AA stock, high air capacity, good balance, adjustable powermod for a good power range/increased number of shots/optimizable accuracy and good adjustable trigger. I think this gun does it all for my budget.
<br>9 - the only negative I saw in design was a lack of a safety. I read of one post warning to not set the trigger too light. Most of the reviews mentioned this and its a big thing in my book but I plan to always keep the gun unloaded and execute extreme safety!
<br>10 - Accuracy - I've read and heard nothing but great things on accuracy for this gun with JSB Exacts in both calibers.
<br>11 - Breech Seals - You should get some spares from your dealer and know how to install them and be ready to anytime. All PCP's can blow them out or wear them out and always carry some spares - some guys carry spares for every oring in their guns including the quick connects, magazine orings too.
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<br>After gathering all this information I am going to do the following...
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<br>Buy a 410E in .22 from Pomona Air with an extra magazine and request some extra spare orings!! with the power mod option for $60 (now offering free shipping and a $10 discount since all AA vendors have to use the same retail price but they can offer specials and free shipping - the other dealers have scoffed at price matching)
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<br>I hope this helps someone out there trying to make heads or tails of all this.
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118425_Alan In Ga.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 24/07/2003
Very good sumation of the reveiws. I really like my 'E' version. But you forgot one BAD thing about owning a 410E. Now I want a Classic, or Carbine, TOO!
<br>Being inflicted with magnumitis [which is smooth and easily performed with the 410E], I chose the 'E' version, and am very happy with it. But the 410 is so well designed that, instead of wanting a Falcon,,FX, or Daystate [had one before],,,I just want one of the other versions of the 410.
<br>My magazine plate has developed a crack, so I guess I need to get a yellow plate to fix it.
<br>After owing this rifle for a year now, I don't know if because of the magazine problems I might have been just as happy with the single shot 400E series, but I would keep the 'E', too!
<br>Great Guns.
<br>alan in ga
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118492_Bigal1911.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 24/07/2003
JD,
<br>Congratulations and thanks for a fine review of reviews. Please consider re-posting this as a review since most people will not have the endurance to read down that far.
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118814_Jd.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 25/07/2003
Thanks for the praise guys but its you experienced owners that have shared your kudo's, beefs and comments that creates the value of this entire section on the 410E!! I'm a buyer/expeditor for a manufacturing company and a newbie in the airgun game having yet to buy a gun and in looking at the other makes/models on this site, there isn't one single gun that has the sheer number of reviews and comments with the detail that this rifle has. This is the precious field information that you can't get from a few dealers, owner or web forum. The THANKS goes to you owners who have posted!! Thanks also to all who posted what you bought the guns for and whom. This really helped find the lowest price and best airgun expertise and saved a ton of time. I've spent 8-9 hours on the phone with all the dealers about this gun and others and now I know why the majority of you have bought from Pomona. It took about 3-4 phone calls to each and the right questions but now its pretty obvious why he's so popular. That's just my opinion anyway.
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118830_Plasmaetcher.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 25/07/2003
Grind down a hammer to make a knife? LOL, you make it sound like we're changing the gun into a kitchen utensil! I can't speak for others but this is what I call an improvement - Good ole Yankee ingenuity - what this country needs a good dose of now!! In my industry we do this all the time; we take and modify multimillion dollar intricate machine tools to increase throughput, give a tool the ability to IMPROVE its utility, apply it to a wider range of functions and to OPTIMIZE its performance and increase its value for the slight costs of modification. In my opinion that is why the powermod is so popular here. It takes insight, guts and the deep yearning to make something better. For roughly a 10% increase in the price of this gun, it now boasts on the fly adjustable power that few airguns have at any price and many shooters obviously want, the ability to shoot indoors with lighter pellets and optimize for the most shots at an acceptable power level. I call that marketing genius, mastery of technical expertise and vision that our country's eroding manufacturing base needs right now to survive. Since so many 410E powermod owners have pioneered the power mod already I'm just following in their footsteps and enjoying the flexibility that the power mod gives without the risks for just and additional 10% in price. It really works as advertised to me and greatly increases the utilty of this gun and appeals to my need to optimize and maximize the effectiveness of the tools I work with.
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118834_Jd.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 25/07/2003
Alan, hey you are scaring me now!! I've got to get my E first. Maybe I should be asking for a combo discount on two rifles now. I agree and think the carbine would be way cool!!
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118880_Alan In Ga.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 25/07/2003
My summation [sp?]
<br>AA should consider doing the power mod at the factory. I wonder if they've gotten word of this popular modification?
<br>I have had several [5 I think] PCP guns. All were worthless in one feature > too LOUD to shoot without risking the neighbors calling the police which is UNDERSTANDABLE as PCPs are as loud as 22 magnum rifles! My Daystate Huntsman II was a 50+ ft/lb 22. Beautiful and accurate, but it was too loud to shoot even with a THINGY on the barrel. Not to mention the 'too risky' and questionable legallity of 'it'. The shrouded barrel 400/410 is all the Daystate was but I don'to worry at all about the legality of a 'shroud'.
<br>I wish I could see/handle/shoot a carbine or classic version for comparison. But, any of them are completely satisfactory. Finally found a PCP I'm going to keep. Wish I'd get another pigeon/aircraft hanger job!
<br>Alan the exterminator, in GA, USA
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118898_Dnadoc.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 25/07/2003
Boys, the 410 carbine and the classic are both great! I can recommend all 3 but truthfully I mainly shoot the E when I walk or hunt longrange cause of the shot capacity or the carbine when shooting out the car window or from a blind due to its handy short length (when legal off road at chucks). The classic truthfully I haven't shot much but only because I don't have much time lately. I don't see a ton of difference between the balance of the E and the Classic but would never part with the carbine or the E. I'll never part with the Classic either or settle for just a Classic alone!! So, I guess what I'm trying to say is if you already have an E - then just buy a carbine and you'll have it all covered. But if you have extra $$ you might as well get a Classic with powermod.
<br>I'm glad to see the 410E so popular - I've bought a BSA S-10, Daystate SE, Harrier PH6, several FX's Cyclone, Viper and Falcon FN-19, FN-12 in the last few months and I still only shoot the 410's mostly. The AA magazines (as bad of experience as some are having with them) are still tons better than any of the others (BSA and Falcon) in my opinion except for the FX mags which are OK and cheap to replace. I do like my .22 Tarantula but its had a broken valve now since February and I've not gotten around to sending it in. Seems like I've been reading alot about this valve issue lately, I remember my friend in Hawaii having the same thing happen last year!!
<br>My next gun is going to be a Theoben Rapid and I'll probably keep the 410's and sell the other guns back to my boss and buy a Rapid in .177 and .22. I've also got my eye on a Styer from Airguns Only in Canada. Great place to buy .22 and .177 JSB Dome pellets by the case too.
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119569_Ghandy.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 28/07/2003
I love my 410E which I bought a few weeks ago second hand - my brother in law who lives in Peoria, Ill has one with the power mod and I got a chance to shoot it over the July 4th weekend. I need to get mine converted so I can shoot low powered in the basement. As for the question of does AA know about the power mod?? I am told they sure do and that they've sent over a few guns to have this done for customers. But since only one dealer in the US is doing the power mod and he's outselling the rest by a huge margin they can't say a word about it as a manufacturer - they can't sanction it cause the other dealers would complain. My bro has an AA 310 which has a factory power mod on it but it doesn't have much of a range to it. As a few have mentioned, I don't think the British market wants the factory power mod so we won't get it either. I love this rifle!!
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119589_Spatterson.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 28/07/2003
DNAdoc, can you give us some numbers from your Carbine? Is it in .177 or .22? Also is it shrouded? Does it have the power mod? I've been told I should get a 410E in .177 but I'd like to see how many shots you get in the carbine and what the velocity ranges are. You're the only guy I've seen talking about having all 3 410's here. What calibers are they and are they all shrouded and with power mod?? Thanks for all the help - I started reading your posts about 6 months after I bought my 410E. I was also reading the reveiw from Sgt. York as well!! It was good to hear from others with the same gun... I started experimenting with velocities and getting more shots after reading your reviews and comments.
<br>My breech seal did wear out and the sound was really loud in the bolt area so I threw in a new seal and its good as new.
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120537_Meister Jaeger.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 31/07/2003
I finally nailed a used 410 Carbine and a classic w/walnut stock to add to my collection both used in excellent condition. They were both great deals bought by impulse buyers who quickly got tired of PCP's and pumping by hand. The owner of the carbine wasn't informed by the dealer and didn't even know he had to have a special high pressure pump. The gun was shipped with about 150 bar and was at 80 when I received it so there wasn't many shots fired through it. I haven't had time to set up my chrony and get some strings going but I'll soon do this for both new rifles. I don't see any reason to get a Classic if you've already got an E but the carbine is a fun little gun that I would buy again in a heartbeat. Both are in .22 cal by the way. I was hoping for a .177 carbine and am still on the lookout for a used one. Aside from not getting a powermod buying used is a fantastic way of shaving a few hundred off the gun price! I've got 6 410 variants now and can leverage the magazines and spare parts. I am hiding the carbine since my sons are asking for it every time they head to the range or to the woods. I may have to get another one soon!
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121145_Daytrader.'s Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 03/08/2003
I've been looking for a good price on a used 410 carbine or classic but I haven't seen any good values unless they are unshrouded. The prices have been very high for used guns and none of them have the powermod on them. Now that I've got a 410E with a powermod I won't buy another 410 without one. Still wish they had a safety!!
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Mochamanz's Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 26/03/2004
Hi everybody ! I guess the power mod controversy has run its course... I am very happy that a metal magazine has become available recently. I still shoot with commanding power and authority with my unmodified 410E. Now a scientific inquiry is pushing me to ask if anyone is having any problems with the power Mod.
<br>I am Still extemely Happy with mine as is...:)
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Pelleteer's Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 30/03/2004
Great thread going here!! I have two 410E's - one in each caliber. .177 in Beech and .22 in Thumbhole Walnut. Both have the powermod and I've had these guns since late 2000/early 2001.
<br>I've had no issues with my AA original magazines in either caliber - I have 6 total including 2 new metal ones. The metal ones are nice but since I didn't have any issues with the regular ones they are both fine. We shoot in southwestern Idaho in the desert and there is alot of sand and grit blowing in the springtime. Our guns and quick connects get the test of sandy desert conditions with 100+ degree weather in the summer and sub zero conditions in the winter. During the last 2 years we shot almost every weekend year round both Sat and Sun on average. We have sat in the rain in Starling Blinds where I cracked my stock due to water damage. I have now oiled it and refinished it. I didn't realize how thin the finish was.
<br>I blew out the baffles on my .22 this winter by leaning the shroud up against a board while shooting - my fault and have installed the replacements.
<br>I broke the magazine index finger at about 10,000 rounds on the .177 which my dealer quickly replaced. I wore out the seals on both my guns at 10,000 and have replaced them with Viton 75D since I lube my pellets.
<br>My power mod has been set to shoot .177 Exacts at 900 for a while now giving 60 shots. The .22 is set to 850 with JSB Exacts giving 40 shots both on standard 190-150 Bar fills according to the guage on my guns. I quit shooting indoors last fall when the cats moved in so I don't change the power around anymore. I used to change almost daily during spring/summer for the last 2 years when shooting in the field and returning home to shoot indoors. I would also experiment with new pellets/weights to determine velocity and number of shots. When new pellets come out like the new JSB 10.3 its fun to see where to dial in for them to maximize speed vs. number of shots. I have not noticed any appreciable wear on the threads or screw. The operation is quick and easy to return to the field/target settings based on 1/2 turn increments and no change of my scope settings were required. Sounds like everyone else is using this convention/standard as well to measure the flow/velocity.
<br>So, given all the other repeaters out there on the market now and the price I would again buy the 410E with Power Mod in both calibers cause its a total package with adjustable power on the fly and decent capacities both air and magazine.
<br>I am impressed by the sheer number of 410E users out there. I am also glad to hear there are no real heavy 410E issues out there. Given the number of posters and reports you can kind of get a pretty good statistical picture of the quality of this rifle.
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Xtrmn8Tr's Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 17/04/2004
The power mod from steve @ pamona air guns consists of modifing the existing valve air channel (as in machineing and modifying...hence the phrase power mod---get it?) with a needle valve that is tapered...adjustment range for this needle is typically from all the way in (lightly seated...meaning with only two fingers...thumb and point finger......not cranked tight) to 3 turns out...each 1/4 turn produces approx. 1 ft. lbs. which = 4 ft.lbs per turn for a total of approx. 12 ft.lbs....guns ussually get shipped to the owner with a setting of approx. 20 ft. lbs of energy...needle turned all the way in...if you choose three turns out you end up with approx 32 ft. lbs....the biggest reason for this power mod is the fact that the owner can dial in (for accuracy) the exact amount of velocity to match practically any pellet on the market...a rifle with out this modification means the owner must experiment with all kinds of different pellet weights and styles till he finds a combination that is accurate and in the case of the S410E he'll probably end up using heavy pellets only...because with out the power mod you are locked in to only 1 power setting...where as the guy with the power mod can use light "el cheapo "pellets if he chooses and turn the velocity needle in (slower fps.)and end up using less volume of air...as in less psi drop per shot taken and still have great accuracy (just takes a little trial and error experimentation )...this end of the power spectrum is great for casual plinking of your deck or just shooting to have some fun with your buddies...or you can crank up the velocity and switch to heavier pellets and do some very serious pest removal...or anything in between...KOOL!...would'nt you agree...point is guys you have the Ultimate in ... versatility ... power ... and economy...add all this to the fact that the air arms s410e is resonable in price ...accurate...powerful...economical...looks good ...handles well...is very quiet...it's not hard to see why it is one of the biggest reviews on this site, as well as one of the most popular pcp rifles around...L8tr...Xtrmn8tr
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Pelleteer's Response to Alan in GA.'s Review
Written on: 24/05/2004
I would imagine the reason the British market doesn't care about the power mod is due to the fact that most of them are shooting at the strict 12ftlb limit. After reading British magazines having an adjustment that might go over the limit is a great legal liability and so why spend the extra effort to cause a legal headache. And if you're only shooting at < 12 ft.lb. why would you want to adjust your gun to shoot lower unless you were shooting 10m.
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★★★★★
“I'm going to use this gun to shoot the millions of...”
Written on: 10/11/2002 by Nutria Nut.
I'm going to use this gun to shoot the millions of nutria I have on my place. They are big overgrown rats that are destroying Florida! This gun make and model was recommended to me by a airgun nut buddy and for $549 on sale it's a good price. I put on my Leopold scope off my .270 deer rifle and away we go. Can't get anything else with this much power and quiet for any less. Wow is it accurate and packs a punch! - I've already taken out more in the last 2 weeks than the state boys have in... (read more)
51866_Nutria Nut.'s Response to 49741_Nutria Nut.'s Review
Written on: 19/11/2002
I've been shooting RWS Superdomes and I think I they are not good in my gun out to 50-60 yds. I just got some slightly heavier pellets from JSB Exact company in .22 domes and they are much more accurate. I can tell just from shooting at cans. Thought I'd pass this along.
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52392_Orca1.'s Response to 49741_Nutria Nut.'s Review
Written on: 21/11/2002
My 410E doesn't shoot the RWS Domes well even at low power but my son's 410 Classic does much better at low power with the RWS pellets. I bought a tin of Domes, Super Hollow points and Hobbies but found that they are not good at all in grouping at 50 yds. Crosman Premiers are the best that I've found for the 410 Classic and JSB Domes are the best for my 410E turned down to 900 fps. You should try some JSB Exacts for those nasty Nutria. I'd love to take a few shots at those critters! Let us know if you need help thinning them out! I could use a nice warm vacation without rain right now.
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54443_Nutria Nut.'s Response to 49741_Nutria Nut.'s Review
Written on: 29/11/2002
JSB Domes in .22
I've been noticing on the last hundred or so nutria that I've shot with JSB's that way more than 50% of them have huge exit wounds larger than 1" in diameter blown out the back of their heads or bodies. Like a big chunk of tissue cut out of the exit wound!! I've not seen this even with the Beeman Crow Magum pellets that I've read so much about and pay dearly for! The JSB's are very soft cause they dent easily in the tins so I put them in my neoprene salt water flyreel covers to protect them. They must deform and mushroom alot on impact to blow those big holes out the back.
The RWS Superdomes were soft too but I never saw exit wounds like that from any kill and the accuracy was not very good either.
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54575_Leadzeppelin.'s Response to 49741_Nutria Nut.'s Review
Written on: 29/11/2002
Please tell us more about them there Nutria and how big do they get and just how many are you shooting? Sounds like I've gotta take a trip to Florida!
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57406_Nutria Nuts.'s Response to 49741_Nutria Nut.'s Review
Written on: 12/12/2002
Well, I've been busy shooting everyday and I don't think I'm every going to slow these vermin down. We haven't had an outside garden or flowers of any kind in 3 years. I think even my wife might get into this. They broke into her enclosed greenhouse and now she's fighting mad. I was joking about getting her a 410 carbine for Christmas and she snarled "how many shots do they hold"?...
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★★★★★
“All I can say is WOW, this Air Riffle is very...”
Written on: 03/11/2002 by Hoss.
All I can say is WOW, this Air Riffle is very accurate. After it was sited in, I made 3 hole in ones at 30 yards with Beeman Kodiak Heavies 21gr pellets, and the pellets were going through hay bail me and my friend were using as backs for our targets. Power and accuracy I can't see very many air riffles in this price range to compete with the Air Arms S410e,my only complaint would be the lack of a safety on this air riffle. My friend then stuck a writing pen in the hay bail and told me to... (read more)
★★★★★
“Wow, this Air Arms 410e gun stands out for its very Hi...”
Written on: 20/10/2002 by Orca1.
Wow, this Air Arms 410e gun stands out for its very Hi Power and accuracy with JSB Exacts, Premiers and Kodiaks. I can't shoot this rifle enough and, though I have many other rifles, this is the one I grab first. I used this gun for 6 months before reading of a $60 power adjustment that one dealers was doing where a hole is drilled into the air flow port, threaded and a grub screw is installed to restrict the flow of the transfer port. The allen screw can then be turned in and out to... (read more)
45258_Orca1.'s Response to 44961_Orca1.'s Review
Written on: 21/10/2002
My son just reminded me that I forgot to mention that we have the Walnut Thumbhole option that has the adjustable butt plate. The Beech standard stock on his 410H does not have this.
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49739_G. Beuchame.'s Response to 44961_Orca1.'s Review
Written on: 10/11/2002
Orca1, I enjoyed your review and it opened up alot of things to think about. I was about to make the phone call to buy this gun from an online dealer in a few days but found this page and now I've got some things to think about. I work up in Alaska and one of the construction foremen has an 18 year old kid who has one of these $1000 bb gun setups with a scuba tank and I knew I had to have one as soon as I shot it. So I did some searching. Looks like I'm not done doing my homework yet. I chose the 410E for my starter gun and the adjustable power moderating makes this even a better choice. I like the fact that the dealer is west coast since my last custom rifle stock that I had shipped from back east came in little peices thanks to UPS.
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56331_Gb.'s Response to 44961_Orca1.'s Review
Written on: 07/12/2002
Orca, bought the .22 410E and a Sightron 4-24x with mildots from Steve, it will be delivered to Alaska and be there when I arrive. I won't be back to the lower 48 for another 13 months. Got the power mod add on and about 50 tins of assorted Daystate and Beeman pellets - that should last me through the winter/spring. See ya all Jan 2004. Thanks for the good advice - I hope to have some good stories.
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62155_Dano.'s Response to 44961_Orca1.'s Review
Written on: 02/01/2003
Thanks for all the comments on the 410E. I've been researching this gun for 6 months and after hitting all the airgun sites, and all the posts here on this site I just got my new gun for Christmas and have already bagged over twenty racoons since Xmas eve. It's hard to get any sleep cause I'm stalking the deck that overlooks the back yard all night looking for targets. Its easier when someone from down the road a ways recommends the product you are interested in. I've got a thousand racoons running around my yard at night and I've got my IR scope, 410E and JSB Exacts ready for them now! Thanks again guys!
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<br>PS. so far my magazines are fine, no cracking or breaking or rattling inside the gun - I've shot about 5 tins of pellets since I got the gun last week. I think I'll buy a carbon fiber tank next. My hand pump is going to wear out or maybe my back will wear out first.
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65917_Dano.'s Response to 44961_Orca1.'s Review
Written on: 17/01/2003
I've continued the racoon vigil almost everynight since owning the gun. I've since bought a used scuba tank and setup which helps but I'm filling the tank once a week or more occaisionally having to pump by hand. I don't even want to mention how many Raccons I've taken with this nightscope/410E combo but it's the most fun I've had in years. I can't go to bed unless I make a few sweeps off the upper deck for prowling racoons. I literally think there are thousands in my area and possums as well. I still see at least 1-3 every night so I don't think I'm having an effect on the numbers at all. Great rifle so far!!
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80448_James.'s Response to 44961_Orca1.'s Review
Written on: 16/03/2003
Hi fellow airgunner from the Northwest.
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<br>I am fairly new to airgun. I just found out that there are not very many of us airgunners. Wondering if any of you can give me a hand to get started? Please
<br>e-mail me Pacific_man1@hotmail.com
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<br>Thanks
<br>James
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81118_Kormorant.'s Response to 44961_Orca1.'s Review
Written on: 19/03/2003
James, Orca1 and Dano have been called to active duty abroad and I don't know when they'll be back. FYI
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94449_Craigvm.'s Response to 44961_Orca1.'s Review
Written on: 03/05/2003
I am surprised to see so many people posting from the Puget Sound area. This web site has helped a great deal in making my decission on my first high powered PCP. Ordered a S400E today.
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★★★★★
“I have the .177 calibre Air Arms 410E and have had it...”
Written on: 08/10/2002 by Lepus1.
I have the .177 calibre Air Arms 410E and have had it for 3 months. It's a great gun - smooth action, good balance, easy to shoot, no jump. Lighter pellets than Crosman 10.5gr premiers go supersonic and do not group well. I think this gun is great so far and can't wait to get one in .22. I bought this gun and a scuba tank (used) from a friend and discovered a whole new world of fun. (read more)
45295_Lepus1.'s Response to 42567_Lepus1.'s Review
Written on: 21/10/2002
I just bought a new Simmons 6.5-20 44 Mag scope with target turrets and its a night and day difference from my old 4x32 weaver. Forget what I said about the red dot and open sights!
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49738_Lepus1.'s Response to 42567_Lepus1.'s Review
Written on: 10/11/2002
Hello all!! I just wanted to post about my new .22 410E which arrive last month. I'll be using this for all my hunting needs and pass my .177 to my wife who is starting to take a liking to this type of shooting.
I noticed a sale at AOA's website and got the price of $549 matched by Pomona and the power mod done and the cost with shipping was $25 lower than what I paid for my first 410E in .177 without the power mod!!! What a screaming deal!! Thanks to all the guys who posted on this board!! Hey its kinda strange - Isn't this a UK website?? This should be linked to some US airgun sites too!! What a great review board with all the guns listed alphabetically. Glad I stumbled on this link. Thanks again.
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50211_Lepus1.'s Response to 42567_Lepus1.'s Review
Written on: 12/11/2002
Correction: - I meant to say my new .22 is comming next month when Christmas arrives. I just got corrected by my wife. Actually she has the gun under lock and key till Santa comes. (I actually shot it a few times already when she was gone shopping).
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52094_Leadzeppelin.'s Response to 42567_Lepus1.'s Review
Written on: 20/11/2002
Hey good to see you're shooting with the Mrs! I'm doin the same thing. I've got an R1 and the wife has an R9 but I've just got a 410E on order from Pomona and it should be here soon. I'll have to get another one next year when we save up the $$ but to shoot together is a great way to keep the marriage strong. We used to shoot skeet and rimfire together but airguns have really opened up more hunting opportunities. I think I'm (hope) getting a Bushnell Trophy for Chrismas and she's getting a Russian IZ46 pistol in her stocking!
Hey! Families that shoot together stay together!
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58733_Lepus1.'s Response to 42567_Lepus1.'s Review
Written on: 18/12/2002
I bought a Chronograph last week and have been experimenting with pellets and been doing some thinking about the power mod. I'm shooting .22 crossman premiers at around 1000 fps. I was thinking that 850-900 is plenty good enough and hearin those guys talk about more shots is sounding real good to me now. I've been a pumpin away with that blue tire pump and it's gettin real old. With all the endorsements of this power mod and not one guy is badmouthing it here on this site means I'd better pull my head out and get one. When ya got 100% consensus here on these airgun sites about something it must be good. The guy doing the mods aint easy to get ahold of either. Tried callin him 3-4 times already but I guess with the lowest prices he must have a lot of the business.
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76269_Leadzeppelin.'s Response to 42567_Lepus1.'s Review
Written on: 28/02/2003
Lepus, I'm totally confused after reading your last post. It sounds like you already had a power mod on your .22 but now you don't? Do you mean to get one for the .177? My head is spinning here. Enlighten me dude!
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76703_Lepus1.'s Response to 42567_Lepus1.'s Review
Written on: 02/03/2003
Hey, I actually don't have the power mod. I thought I was getting one (my wife bought it) but it wasn't on the gun - she didn't buy from Pomona cause we got our wires crossed. We should have returned it and bought it from Pomona caues we paid more than we would have with the power mod from Pomona. But hey sometimes you just have to grin and bear it. I still love the gun and am quite chuffed about it. Very accurate!!
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★★★★★
“I use this Air Arms 410E air gun to hunt squirrels in...”
Written on: 02/10/2002 by Glen McCoy.
I use this Air Arms 410E air gun to hunt squirrels in west virginia and kentucky with rimfires but found the 410e to be lots more fun, accurate, quiet and much more pleasing to the landowners where i shoot. i frequently get multiple shots where with a rimfire i only got one shot. amazing how accurate this gun is.
mainly shoot crosman heavies but reading some of the other posts i'd like to try some crosman lite pellets and get those 60-80 shots the others are talking about. wish I'd have...
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49737_Starman.'s Response to 41087_Glen McCoy.'s Review
Written on: 10/11/2002
Glen, I have the power mod on 2 .22 410E's (mine and my oldest son's - soon to be 3 for the youngest comming up this spring). We shoot JSB Domes and Premier Domes usually and it's nice to turn the gun down to get around 40 shots between recharges - and our backyard shed range within city limits with the power down really low. It's not too late to do the mod and well worth the price including shipping. I bought my first gun that way - I didn't even know the mod existed and had alot of unfounded negative comments about the mod and the vendor doing it. Despite this I went ahead and sent it in to be done and the rest is history - bought the second rifle with mod and Walnut stock (Jr. got my old standard beech) and the third will be a Walnut Thumbhole!
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51631_Jed.'s Response to 41087_Glen McCoy.'s Review
Written on: 18/11/2002
Glen, just wanted to pipe in to say to get the power mod. Its worth the $30-40 shipping and you won't be sorry.
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77200_Daytrader.'s Response to 41087_Glen McCoy.'s Review
Written on: 04/03/2003
Has anyone had a close call with this gun due to its lack of a safety? Just wondering here.
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★★★★★
“See the review by Sgt. York and following comments as...”
Written on: 27/09/2002 by DNAdoc.
See the review by Sgt. York and following comments as they convinced me to buy this Air Arms 410E airgun and from the dealer listed. I got the adjustable power modification and had to wait a few days for it but it was well worth it. I have a 30 yd range on the side of my house and shoot a few times a week at med power with H&N wadcutters and then take the gun afield and crank the power to full with Kodiaks with only a few clicks in elevation to get POI ready for field use.
I know this is...
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52098_Dna Doc.'s Response to 40097_DNAdoc.'s Review
Written on: 20/11/2002
I just got back from 1 month in Wyoming and some intense rabbit hunting with the 410E's. Before the snow fell the hunting was very good and the big Jack Rabbits were the most awesome fun game I've ever hunted. The .22 Crow Magnums were really putting the big Jacks down hard. I spent about 4 weekends solid shooting rabbits and the 410E's were flawless in performance except I had a magazine fall out of my pocket and now I've got to cough up another $45 for the replacement! Ouch! I'm glad I bought a 88 CF Scott 4500psi Tank before heading out there cause there were no scuba shops in Wyoming. It was just below 3000 psi on the last day before heading home and my 10 tins of Crow Magnums that I brought were gone too. I'm going to try some JSB's since I've read they do very well in the 410E. I took the .177 out one day and it did very well on Jacks too.
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52395_Leadzeppelin.'s Response to 40097_DNAdoc.'s Review
Written on: 21/11/2002
Great post! Wish I had enough bread to do both calibers in 410E at once. How do you compare the used Tarantula and the 410E?
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53071_Brainpan.'s Response to 40097_DNAdoc.'s Review
Written on: 24/11/2002
I've had a 410E in .22 for a year and haven't shot it much due to work. I'm encouraged to read all the posts here and see so many are using the 410E and like it so well. Looks like I made a good choice on the rifle. This spring I intend to make up for lost time. I really didn't get enough pellet gun time when I was a kid so here I am as a grown man thinking about the same things as a teenage kid in the woods with his pellet rifle and a box full of pellets. I plan on being a major poster here next spring!
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53265_Dnadoc.'s Response to 40097_DNAdoc.'s Review
Written on: 25/11/2002
We brought both Tarantula and 410E in .22 out to shoot Rabbits and I shot the Tarantula for an afternoon and found it fairly similar to the 410E except the Tranny is slower to change out magazines, they are only 8 shots and when both rifles are shooting at the same velocity the 410E has a slight edge to the number of shots. My Tarantula with mod is slightly quieter than the stock 410E but also added $200 to the cost of the gun. My Tarantula setup was over $1500 new but I bought it for $1200 second hand with a Leupold Vari-X (I have the same scope on the 410E - gotta be fair). It is a gorgeous gun with the grade 4 stock, gold bolt and special tuned trigger but even with all that I still prefer to shoot the plain beech 410E for fit and accuracy and efficiency and for about 1/2 the price. I don't like the Tarantula cocking stroke. The bolt must be pushed hard forward to cock the spring and its hard to keep on the sight picture through the scope for the second shot. I noticed this on the afternoon I used it.
I probably shot half a box of Crossman Premiers and still really didn't get the rapid fire groove that I had with the 410E.
The 410E cocks the hammer spring pulling back into your shoulder and its realy easy to get a second shot off without taking your eye out of the scope picture at low power.
I wish you could combine the good parts of the two rifles. I lost a 410E mag afield through a hold in the pocket and wish that the gun came with 4 spares and replacements were $25! During my shoot I shot 9 tins or so through the 410E without a issue except for remembering not to walk too far away from the fill tank when shooting Kodiaks at full power. DOH!
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56332_Brainpan.'s Response to 40097_DNAdoc.'s Review
Written on: 07/12/2002
I just mounted a Sightron scope on my 410E. I've had this gun for a year and didn't even get a chance to mount a scope or buy a pump for the gun. Just got a used Scott airpack with a valve and guage set my son got for me (fireman/paramedic) and a good source for filling them. Now I am ready to rumble! Why did I wait 40 years to do this? It was one of the most fulfilling parts of my youth and certainly one I'm not ready to let go of. I'm going to get one for my sons this year too. This is something we all missed out on when they were growing up while I was establishing my medical practice. Its never too late to go back and fix these things.
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73416_Togayank.'s Response to 40097_DNAdoc.'s Review
Written on: 16/02/2003
I bought a new 410E last week and just put a Bushnell Legend mildot scope on. Can't wait to get out and do some plinkin with it. Love reading all your posts and opinions on the gun! I feel like this is a great place to get the straight talk about a gun without a dealer pounding sand up your a... Buy this gun, no buy that gun, I carry this gun, don't buy that scope, buy this scope cause I get a higher margin on it etc...
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★★★★★
“The Air Arms 410E is my fourth PCP gun and by far my...”
Written on: 26/09/2002 by 22Domer.
The Air Arms 410E is my fourth PCP gun and by far my favorite. It's my second PCP repeater and though I've paid a lot more for other guns (Daystate and Falcon) and the overall fit and finish might be a tad bit better the cost was much higher (cosmetics), I think the 410E is in a class all of its own with value and accuracy where the rubber meets the road. Accuracy is just as good and the weight and balance is very good for a high power gun in its class. I've read of it being fragile but not... (read more)
40063_Joe.'s Response to 39914_22Domer.'s Review
Written on: 26/09/2002
How much did you pay for the Thumbhole and where did you get it from? Is it an AA walnut stock?
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40502_22 Domer.'s Response to 39914_22Domer.'s Review
Written on: 29/09/2002
Joe, I bought the stock from a friend who converted a .177 410E to a serious FT gun and had a custom stock built and didn't need the walnut thumbhole anymore. I bought it for $200. I was told it would take forever to get this stock from AA and didn't want to wait or pay the huge tariff either. Airgun stocks are way overpriced compared to rimfire/centerfire ones.
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48953_Lepus1.'s Response to 39914_22Domer.'s Review
Written on: 07/11/2002
.22Domer, is it going to be worth sending my non power adjustment .177 back to Cali and near $100 to get this mod done to my gun? My gun's not groupin lighter pellets all that well at full power but yesterday I noticed that when I shot the gun real low below 120 bar or so on the range the groups just tightened up with the lighter pellets. A light went off in my head and I thought I'd ask you if you're turnin the power down for accuracy on lighter pellets. Please let me know what you think about this. Also I won't make the same mistake twice. My next gun is going to be a .22 with the power adjustment from the dealer. I'm just waiting for them to come here through customs from England. Send me your shot/fill/velocity data too please!!
Lepus1
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52101_Leadzeppelin.'s Response to 39914_22Domer.'s Review
Written on: 20/11/2002
.22Domer, do you recommend buying the walnut thumbhole? Is it worth the extra $150 Pomona wants for it and the wait? I bought my first one in Beech and I'm told they are all great stocks but not having seen one (waiting for my gun to arrive) it's all taking a leap of faith. My second will be for my wife and I want it to look extra purty!
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55307_.22Domer.'s Response to 39914_22Domer.'s Review
Written on: 03/12/2002
Just received my new Sightron 4-16x42 MilDot scope from Pomona for Christmas. Its going to replace my Bushnell Trophy 4-12x40 which has a loose reticle and spatter on the lens inside. What a sweet combination!
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55308_.22Domer.'s Response to 39914_22Domer.'s Review
Written on: 03/12/2002
Lepus1, I would do it. You are only paying $30 more in shipping for doing it later - it's a no brainer! I've read some other posts and have turned the power way down on lighter pellets and getting another 10-15 shots more per recharge it's well worth the price. I'm wondering why a mod this easy isn't done by all the other gun mfg!! DUH?
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★★★★★
“I bought this Air Arms 410E air gun long before...”
Written on: 25/09/2002 by Jmmanuel.
I bought this Air Arms 410E air gun long before reading these reviews and didn't get the power mod. After finding out about this I had to send in my gun and pay postage to and from to get this done. An extra $30 and lots of effort and waiting. Be sure and buy the power mod when you buy the gun. Don't let anyone talk you out of this like I did on the chat forums. It will cost you! I thought I would post my results on this gun which is about the same as what has been said before. I won't... (read more)
4559_Jim.'s Response to 39863_Jmmanuel.'s Review
Written on: 29/09/2002
I forgot to ask the other guys who reviewed this gun with adjustable power what their results are with velocity and how many shots you are getting on a fill starting from 190 bar down to 150 bar on your pressure guage.
<br>Here are my numbers in .22 going from heavy pellets to lightest:
<br>I tried to keep all pellets around 900 fps based on 1/2 turn increments of the screw. Like another guy who posted on the FS board I turned the screw all the way in gently till it stopped and counted the numbers of turns out and measured by chrony till I got close to 900 fps.
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<br>Kodiaks: 860 fps -> 26 shots 3.5-4 turns open
<br>CM's: 905 fps -> 27 shots 2 turns open
<br>JSB domes: 915 fps -> 30 shots 1.5 turns open
<br>CP's: 895 fps -> 40 shots 1 turn open
<br>FTS: 880 fps -> 43 shots .5 turn open
<br>My gun shoots FTS at 830 fps fully closed and Kodiaks at 860 wide open.
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<br>I found that only slight elevation changes are needed on my scope at 30 yds when switching between these 4 pellets and these are the best groupers.
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<br>Could you other fellas post your results too? I want to see how mine is doing.
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50231_Cattleman.'s Response to 39863_Jmmanuel.'s Review
Written on: 12/11/2002
Bought the 410E and am very happy with it. I've never heard about this power mod. What is it? and how does it work? I've read all the posts here and it looks like a good thing to have but I'm not sure if I still understand how it works. I shot my 410E every day since the end of June when it arrived. I've lost about 20 lbs pumping that damn thing 4-5 times a day and if it was anything else I'd be whinging up a storm for having to work so hard! It's great to see so many other owners of this gun. I can't wait till next spring! What started off as a farm tool to kill squirrels is now a hobby and since I'm retired I can shoot all I want to. I just wanted to say this site played a big part in my decision of what to buy and from whom! I'll be sure and be checking this site out for any new guns that I have to have!
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56446_Jmmanuel.'s Response to 39863_Jmmanuel.'s Review
Written on: 07/12/2002
I've been shooting my 410E with the new power adjustment modification that Pomona did even though I didn't buy the gun from them. Steve also swapped my magazine from my cracked plastic cover for a new one. The results of shooting is very similar to what Jim has posted. I've found that I like changing pellets and testing different settings to find out how they group vs velocity etc. I took an Excel class and its fun to graph the results and know your rifles power curves and with different pellets and settings. I read several others post that they could have bought their guns with the power mod cheaper than from where they bought their guns without from other dealers and I have to confess that I did the same. I will not be making that same mistake again.
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★★★★★
“I own a FX Tarantula, Falcon F19 and a Daystate...”
Written on: 19/09/2002 by Pneuman.
I own a FX Tarantula, Falcon F19 and a Daystate Harrier PH6. I love them all but the air Arms 410E is a better hunting solution IMHO due to having large mag cap, fast shooting, quick power adjustment, huge max power and extreme accuracy. The other rifles have some of these points and some exceed the 410E but as an overall system the 410E rocks dude!! The balance is great, accuracy superb, adjustable power, great shot capacity per fill, 10 shot mags with clear window for viewing how many... (read more)
39466_Viking22.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 24/09/2002
I'm going to buy a 410E this winter when I get the $$ and move to Montana. I won't have access to an airgun store but it seems that everyone is buying these over the internet anyway. That's going to be a big change for me since I've never bought anything anywhere else than locally. But I know there are lots of good things about the internet and I love the ability to go right through all the guns in alphabetical order on this website and see what all the owners have to say about them. Its also great there are so many responses for every gun which also makes sure we hear about all the details that might be forgotten that could be big time negative. Thanks to all the posters!!! Maybe I'll be posting here after this winter.
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39854_Lord Of The Ring.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 25/09/2002
I was glad to see a comparison of the exact 3 guns that I was looking over. I'll probably end up getting all 3 too but this way I can get the one that Pneuman liked the best. There are more guns comming out soon and I'll wait till next year but this at least gives me something to compare with. Glad you're taking the time to share your knowledge about your guns.
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40770_Bobby.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 01/10/2002
Just bought a 410 and was going to post a review but then after reading all the other posts there is nothing more needed to add, so I'll just comment on this post. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents to help someone out there teetering on making the decision. Love my 410E in .22 and my 4200 Elite with mildots. I bought an extra magazine but after two outings didn't end up using it. Accuracy and power are great and the FX pump is good excercise.
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41404_Ian.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 03/10/2002
Hi. Good review. I've got a .20 Daystate Harrier PH6 and have been thinking about the AA410E. How do the two compare in terms of weight, length and ease of use. I will still keep the Daystate but like the extra power of the AA. Do you find the 410 overly long or just about right?
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43351_Pneuman.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 13/10/2002
Ian, as far as length and weight go I need power and capacity so the carbine would be cool but would not allow the power or the number of shots that I need. I would get one and a Falcon light hunter if I had unlimited funds. The 410E does the most right now for me. Weight and balance are fine for me.
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46488_Bradb.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 27/10/2002
I have a fx tarantula....How do I make sure I am at full power with that set screw?
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49505_Dnadoc.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 09/11/2002
I just picked up a used FX Tranny from my old boss in Denver and he told me that wide open was about flush to up to 3 turns out of the knockout valve body. I use a chrony and my gun is just about 1 thread out past flush and my friend's tranny sporter is a bit more than 2 threads out. Both are maxing out at 920-930 with CP's. I haven't shot a bunch of different settings cause you have to take the &^*&$ stock off each time you make an adjustment. It took me a whole 2-3 hour session to compare the two rifles just to figure out where the max setting was... I was going to take my gun to a stock maker and get a brass sleeve and hole drilled to make this adjustment like on the 410E. Its a very nice gun with the G4 Turkish stock but I like the 410E better.
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49722_Pneuman.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 10/11/2002
BradB, I generally have the set screw about 1 turn out from flush in 1/2 turn increments when the Chrony tells me it's max at 930 fps. 1/2 in or out from there makes the velocity go down. Without using a chrony I'd say 2 turns past flush is a guarantee that you are max. What a pain to take that stock on and off just to make a change!!
I turned mine down to a bit under 900 fps to pick up a few more shots - 40 shots per fill.
Bet its cold in MN now... I lived in Cannon Falls about 10 years ago...
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52104_Viking22.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 20/11/2002
OK I'm now the proud new owner of a 410E in .22 with power mod and a Simmons 44 mag 6.5-20x scope with Target Turrets! I don't have much to post here cause I just got the gun but to say thanks for posting all the lower prices, advice, velocity results, and price matching info etc. And Steve at Pomona is a real sweetheart of a guy to deal with. And I love Montana!
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52847_Leadhead.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 23/11/2002
My .177 410E just took about thirty Jack Rabbits at 40-50 yds during a week long visit to a Wyoming ranch with Crosman Premiers. My shooting partner had his .22 410E and I was shooting (formerly his rifle that I bought from him) my .177 410E and though a bit worried that .177 wasn't going to do the trick, I shot all of the Jack's with one shot kills to the head. Last year we took rimfires but this year we brought our new toys and had a ton more fun! My 410E is topped with a Weaver v16 and I'm shooting Crosman Premier 10.5gr at 900 fps measured by a Combro device that you rubber band to the end of the barrel. The .177 is so quiet that several rabbits were frozen in my view at once and I picked them off one by one since they didn't spook. I am really sold on this gun and although my friend wanted to sell me his .177 FX Tarantula I opted to buy his 410E instead which he reluctantly sold me cause he's my pal and he wants to date my sister. Total for the week between us was about 66 Jacks and we only hunted about 3 days out of the week when we weren't hungover (business retreat). These guns are easy to shoot and very accurate.
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54439_Lord Of The Ring.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 29/11/2002
Whoa BABY!! Got my new 410E last week and it rocks righteous!! I was a bit worried about all the posts of bad mags and loose bouncing internal springs, o-rings and the power mod controversy and most important. I bought this gun sight UNSEEN for the first time over the phone from a guy named Steve who is nearly impossible to get ahold of who is located somewhere in California and is ill regarded by one of the largest posting boards!! But with the encouragement of the gents who've posted here and the noted value and advice of the lowest cost dealer and his reputed service I nervously ordered the rifle a month ago. BUT, now that I am holding this jewel and both of my magazines are fine, the gun is functioning wonderfully and extremely accurate and the power mod is simple and very effective provided me with 45 shots with Crosman Premiers or JSB Domes - I AM ELATED AND FEEL LIKE ORDERING MORE AIRGUNS HA HA!
I was worried because I bought a Beeman Crow Magnum from a different dealer and had lots of issues with the gas ram, dampa mounts, gas ram, dampa mounts again and eventually it had to be returned back to Beeman 3 times on my own packaging and shipping, and packaging and shipping, before it was working properly so this being an English rifle I was worried about AA being in the same boat. So far this gun has be incredible out of the box and I've shot this gun everyday for the last 2 weeks without a single issue. So far so good.
Thanks to all for posting and giving me the guts to take the step! Feel like y'all are kin and it would be great to all get together someday at Steve's house!!
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55309_Pm. Marietta.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 03/12/2002
I stumbled onto this site and found a whole world of guys like ME! I too have the three rifles that you mentioned and like you I grab the 410E everytime I sneak out to shoot starlings or squirrels or birds outside the house. I love the wood/metal finish on the PH6 but its a bit heavy and like the Falcon they don't have as much capacity and shoot slower. I like the 410E trigger best and also its 10 shot magazine. What a rush of deja vu when I read this cause I bought my gun from Pomona cause it was the cheapest and Steve very knowingly suggested I buy the power mod and told me how and when to use it. I love trying new pellets in different weights so that is what I got. I'm glad that I'm in such good company and also found a few other forums to post to other airgunners like here. I can see this hobby taking off to a new level! I recommend this rifle and the adjustable power to anyone who is looking for the ultimate in flexibility without spending over a grand for the Theoben's. I understand they are hot but at $1500 they'd damn well better be!
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57172_Julian.'s Response to 38472_Pneuman.'s Review
Written on: 11/12/2002
I also just happen to have all 4 forementioned rifles. I've bought them all second hand from the classified's and love them all. I've Got to confess that I've got a slight bias for the 410E too for shooting enjoyment. The workmanship is nicer on the Daystate but I like the way the AA stock fits me much better. My range buddy just bought a 410E from Pomona with that damn power mod and I might just have to get one added to mine. I just had my local stocksmith drill a hole on my FX sport so I can adjust the power without taking the stock off. $75 just to drill a hole and put in a brass insert. Just when I thought I'd bought everything fixed the way I wanted.
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★★★★★
“The 410e air gun from Air Arms is the best $$ value in...”
Written on: 05/07/2002 by Sgt.York.
The 410e air gun from Air Arms is the best $$ value in the PCP category thus far. This rifle had all the features I wanted -
Great stock with high cheekpiece,
Large capacity - 10 shot mags, flawless performance,
Large air capacity - 314cc,
Lightweight - 7.5 lbs,
Great adjustable trigger,
Built in shroud - don't have to buy an additional mod,
Power adjustment - all I need is a 1/16" allen in the field,
Accuracy on par with all PCP except Theoben Rapid's,
All for $625.....
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29991_Dnadoc.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 07/07/2002
Sgt. York, Where in the US did you get your gun with adjustable power and that price. Everywhere I've seen on the internet is about $609 without adjustable power. I heard there is a small place near LA that sells and services AA guns cheapest in the US. AA also told me they are the only dealer that modifies your gun for adjustable power. How many shots are you getting in .22 or .177 at full power. Do you know the name, number, email or web site of this shop - I heard they don't advertise and only do phone orders.
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30610_Sgt. York.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 23/07/2002
DNAdoc - I bought this from Pomona Air in Ca http://www.pomona-airguns.com/ and they match any price on any airgun!! Service is the same as the big dealers with fancy websites since they are all phone/internet dealers. I've bought from them all and they are all good - this one is just much cheaper!!!
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<br>Sgt. York
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31269_Caltech.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 31/07/2002
I also bought a 410E for $565 from Pomona since I live in Cal. Great quiet gun for the money and Steve undercut everywhere I looked on the internet by at least $50. I've shot the gun for 1 year now and its been trouble free.
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35434_Subsonic The Hedgehog.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 30/08/2002
This June bought a 410E after doing tons of research about it in .177. I already have a FX Tarantula in .22 and absolutely love it but its loud and scares the birds away. They are both great guns and I wouldn't part with either and they both have their strong points that I love about them. The FX quality is outstanding and the 410E is quiet, very accurate and I'm glad I read about the power mod option from Sgt. York above and on other boards. I talked with one of the big internet dealers who tried to talk me out of getting the power mod and warned me the guns would be ruined by this mod - but after getting and using it with light pellets and heavy pellets I can custom adjust my gun to shoot pellets at around 900 fps. I can also turn the gun down to 500 fps and shoot in the house while my wife sleeps. It was a tough decision with all the negative comments but I found all their warnings to be unfounded and false. The great thing is I obtained the power mod for the same price as the basic 410E from other dealers. The dealer (Pomona Air Guns) was hard to get a hold of by phone and had no email but worth the effort in the long run. I was leary of cheap service from the cheap price but found they had better advice, faster service than the big internet outfit that I bought the FX from. From my research they are the only ones who do this mod and the only dealer selling 410E's for $565 US.
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37641_Ziggy.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 13/09/2002
Great information - made a few phone calls to confirmed all the research including the cheapest prices and source was listed right here. Thanks guys for posting this great info. Own several other PCP's and this is my first AA gun. Already my favorite and will probably stay that way for a while.
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<br>Ziggy
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37784_Kelly.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 14/09/2002
To those who posted earlier!! Thanks for saving me some real money!! I was about to make a call to a local in state dealer with a great website when I stumbled on this site and did some calling to Pomona and found that it was cheaper to buy it from California (of all places) than from a dealer in my own state by $75 - that's more than 10 tins of pellets!! Love the gun and now I'm shopping for the next thing to buy... A graphite air tank!!
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38330_Samson44.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 18/09/2002
I bought the gun and power mod from Pomona early this spring. At first I thought the power mod was a waste of my hard earned money after I received the gun and then read alot of bad press about it and emailed a few FT guys who told me not to do it (I had already done it) making me feel even worse but then I bought some different pellets and with Crosman Premier Lights getting twice as many shots as with Crosman Premier Heavies and now I know why this power mod is so great and simple. I don't have a chrony but I took the numbers and power adjustment settings from a guy who posted on the yellow board this summer who had the same mod on his gun and I'm getting about the same amount of shots as he did. I shot this gun all summer long and I really like this alot better than my friends Daystate Harrier PH6. When we bench the rifles together we are shooting about the same size group. I think the 410E is a wonderful buy for its price.
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39470_Rudy177.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 24/09/2002
Took the advice of Sgt. York and bought a 410E and a spare magazine. Now that I have one in .177 I would like to buy another one in .22. Its everything that I read about and more. I like the way all the important things about these guns are listed and discussed. Thanks for the efforts guys. I wish they listed chronograph reviews too cause I need one to measure bullet speed with the adjustable power. Glad I got the power mod too.
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39853_Krishna.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 25/09/2002
I am glad I read this website because I think it helped me narrow down the range of my purchase. I read every report on every rifle listed and then chose the one that fit my needs the best. And luckily it was one of the cheapest too. Thank you all for posting your thoughts and helping me on my first airgun purchase. This is like consumer reports online for airguns and also with the cheapest dealer's web page and telephone number. I would never have found them on my own!
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40397_Leadzeppelin.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 29/09/2002
410E fans! I just noticed that Pyramid Air has just lowered their prices on 410E's to $565 and Airguns of Arizona has dropped .22 410E's to $549! Pomona Air will match prices so I think we have a price war! But neither of the first two do the power mod! Darn!
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48949_Gaston.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 07/11/2002
First, I'm glad I found this site cause I searched the interenet to find user feedback on the 410E's and boy did I hit the mother load here!! I knew I wanted a 410E back in January of 02 but I was afraid of spending the extra money for the adjustable power option that one vendor was offering. This post is for other guys like me in this damn quandry!!! I've had my 410E since Jul-Aug and won't be putting this gun down for a long time!! I love this gun!!! I was even thinking of selling all my tricked out rimfires for more of these airguns. I wanted to comment on the power adjustment feature that I almost got talked out of but after going through all the forum posts, dealer phone calls (I called all the ones that I could find that carried AA) opinions on the power mod and the 410E I couldn't find one unhappy owner while most of the critics of the adjustable power had never owned one or used it or frankly were steering me away from the dealer who was doing the mod cause they were alot cheaper. From the data I found posted and the large number of elated owners I thought I'd take a chance and buy the damn thing. Even after one internet dealer up north told me the mod would break my gun and void the warranty!!! That's pretty scary!!! But after I saw the workmanship and the simplicity and the effectiveness I thought I'd better post to help the next guy out with this quandry. I found out who the US dist was in Scotsdale, AZ and called him and found out they had adjustable power installed on his personal gun. That's good enough for me. Thanks to all who posted and helped me find the truth!!
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52091_Ray.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 20/11/2002
I wasn't sure what I'd see here on this review board - last year I saw this same very gun on this board and it had maybe one review. Looks like this gun has picked up alot of steam recently and has become very popular. I'm waiting for one to pass customs right now and be fitted with the power adjustment and then be shipped to my doorstep. You can't go wrong with so many passionate posters here about the gun and the vendor! I'll post again when the gun arrives!
Ray
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53385_Santini.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 25/11/2002
Wow, I was expecting blokes talking about shooting FAC 410E's here but surprise! Not a single UK posting! More useful information on the 410E here than anywhere else on the net I've seen.
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55859_Rl Blake.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 04/12/2002
Seems strange to see all these US posters here on a UK site mostly buying their guns from one US dealer posting here. But I've got to confess I'm a Pomona customer too - Bought many guns from other vendors but the last 4 have been with Steve. Just discovered his tunes/spring kit installs are a bargain and they seem to be very comparable to other famous tuners for much less plus you save on shipping. I've had a 410E for over a year and its still my favorite. Seems like the power mod is catching on and I'm glad its getting good press. I really like mine. Since everything about the 410E has pretty much been said in earlier posts I'll just add my name to the list of satisfied customers with Pomona and the AA410E. Happy shooting.
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67361_Krishna.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 23/01/2003
I'm really liking this .22 cal 410E high power rifle. I have been shooting tree rats (squirrels) out to 40-50 yards now. When I first started I had never shot guns very much and was a very shaky shot. Now I am shooting those rats in the head without a suppport at long distances with high confidence. Shooting is a great way to relax and enjoy the weekends and pumping the gun is great excercise as well as very much fun. I really like the 10 pellet clip, the high power and the way the stock fits my shooting hold. I also bought a .22 rimfire but would rather shoot this airgun cause its quiet and I think safer.
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77206_Daytrader.'s Response to 29936_Sgt.York.'s Review
Written on: 04/03/2003
Has anyone had a close call with this gun due to its lack of a safety? Just wondering here.
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★★★★★
“I have both the .177 and .22 caliber versions of the...”
Written on: 05/04/2002 by AndrewLeung.
I have both the .177 and .22 caliber versions of the air Arms 410E air rifle. I tend to shoot the .177 more as the gun gets more shots per fill and is more accurate than the .22. The .177 prefers Crosman Premier Heavies 10.5gr and is good at 20-21 ft-lbs for over 60 shots (close to 80 total shots). The .22 likes Beeman Kodiak 21gr pellets and shoots at 33-34 ft-lbs for 25 or so shots.
.177 easily can keep the pellets within 1/2" at 50 yards outdoors while the .22 is 3/4". Since I don't...
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★★★★★
“The Air Arms 410e air rifle is powerful, accurate and...”
Written on: 17/02/2002 by Gaspipe.
The Air Arms 410e air rifle is powerful, accurate and comfortable. Most of all, the 410E is quiet. The 10 round magazine is a nice touch, wood and metal finish are very good.
About the only thing that may be objectionable is the complete lack of iron sights, if that is your thing.
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24525_Boris.'s Response to Gaspipe.'s Review
Written on: 23/05/2002
How many shots per charge are you getting?
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29992_Dnadoc.'s Response to Gaspipe.'s Review
Written on: 07/07/2002
How many shots are you getting at full power?? I've emailed 4-5 guys who all have 410E's in .177 and they are all getting 30-35 shots one a reservoir of 200 bar down to about 150 bar with CP Heavies including 2 guys with the power adjustment too?? Gotta find out how the other poster is getting 60 shots FAC (almost 80)!!
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Lenanjak's Response to 422792_jason399's Review
Written on: 29/11/2010
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