Written on: 29/10/2004 by fredddd
I went through 3 antennas at $15 to $19 each for my Motorola V60 before I did a little research and got smart. Take the back cover off the phone, remove the base of your broken off antenna. Take a piece of speaker wire from your home stereo approx. 5 inches long. Strip just the insulation off the end so you see nice shiny copper wire. Mess up the strands so it looks like spaghetti. Jam this into the hole where your antenna base used to be. Run it under the back cover so that when the... (read more)
Written on: 22/10/2004 by rachelcurl (1 review written)
My husband and I purchased Motorola V60's because of the small selection that AT&T offered in their stores. We also selected these phones because we needed national coverage and at the time 3/19/04 the new GSM service would not offer the same vase coverage. We were stuck with basically one choice. Less than 7 months after our purchase this phone is discontinued in their stores. (There is a real shocker!)
Less than a week ago, I spoke with a friend that has had three of these phone. All...
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Written on: 08/10/2004 by gingermanpowers (1 review written)
I love the durablity of the V60 's body. I am a cell phone abuser...........I destroyed two star-tacs in 6 months. Most other phones would have desintegrated under my wrath. I have been pounding on the same V60 for more than 2 years with barely a scratch. (what the hell is this thing made of?)
The telescoping antenna is the only real flaw. Luckilly they are easy and cheap to replace. (my verizon store charges 5 bucks for the 30 second procedure).
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Written on: 03/08/2004 by mardtolng
Maybe I'm a dumb ol' geek.. I have never had a problem with my Motorola V60's fixed antenna...Of course I have yet to throw it across the room or use it for a dodge ball..The phone has been good to me for over 2 years now....I could use another battery at this point as it will not retain its charge as long as it used too...Great Phone. (read more)
Written on: 16/07/2004 by woodeye (1 review written)
The Motorola V60 phone has 2 antenna options, fixed (AT&T) and extendable (Verizon / Cingular). The extendable antenna is very fragile and breaks off easily, average life 1-6 months. Replacement cost is $15-20, parts are usually available locally. The fixed antenna won't break, the phone breaks instead and must be shipped to Texas for repair with or without warranty, for approx. 4 weeks since Motorola will not supply repair parts to repair shops or to owners. I repeat, Motorola... (read more)
Written on: 16/04/2004 by Phonecritic
I love the light weight and attractive design that the Motorola V60 mobile phone has. I love the smart button feature and when you learn to use it, it changes everything. The only bad thing is that the antenna broke off after a few months. I went and bought an antenna of the market with a little light on it and it worked wonders. It made the phone look even more attractive. (read more)
Written on: 24/02/2004 by CocopahGirl (1 review written)
I would still recommend this Motorola V60 mobile phone. (read more)
Written on: 07/12/2003 by sfmuscular (1 review written)
The first generation Motorola V60's received incoming email and reproduced the sender's address, subject and so much of the text as the carrier forwarded. However, the new V60 color truncates the entire text field. Unless a sender uses a subject that conveys the entire message, it is NEVER received. Worse, the phone rejects some incoming messages entirely and I've yet to figure out what causes this. I'm going back to my first generation V60; it was more reliable as a business tool (read more)
Written on: 18/11/2003 by bvafireman (1 review written)
Unfortunately I bought two phones. Antenna breaks on both. I have an impression that this poor design was made on purpose. After you ruine one phone go buy another one. Shame on you motorolla designers. (read more)
Written on: 14/09/2003 by doublehead (1 review written)
If your sick of buying new antennas, or supergluing yours back on, or just need a temp.... Just stick a piece of thick speaker wire in there (about a inch long) leave the insulation on except the tip you put in,. It works great. (read more)
Written on: 22/08/2003 by JackieMiami.
This phone should seriously be recalled. I got my second phone in Jan 2003 and now it's August 2003, been on my 2nd antenna within two weeks. I take care of my phone and there is just something wrong with it. The rep at cingular told me that she could not fix my phone since I crazy glued it, I am going back to my Nokia 8260. I have had 2 v60's, I liked it but nothing fun about it breaking all the time. The rep told me she had never heard anything negative, well, I see I am not the only one... (read more)
Written on: 13/08/2003 by larrymck (1 review written)
I just finished reading all the stuff about these Motorola V60 mobile phones. I am on my 3rd antenna in 6 months. This is a no brainer, look at the design of the antenna, would anyone not on drugs design something like that? I received the phone as a present, so I have to keep it, otherwise I would just chuck it with the 299.00 invoice. This antenna problem has nothing to do with being careless, it is such a poor design, they deserve a class action suit for fraud. I will never in my life buy... (read more)
Written on: 06/08/2003 by j.
The Motorola V60 is a great mobile phone with an absolutely terrible antenna. Dont buy this phone unless you have a stock pile of antennas! (read more)
Written on: 04/08/2003 by spelton.
my antenna has broken twice on my Motorola V60 Mobile Phone. $20-35 to repair it. Cingular is the carrier and they just put it off on Motorola. Motorola doesnt cover it under warranty AND they only sell the antennas to authorized repair centers....so they gotcha by the cohones! (read more)
Written on: 02/08/2003 by Bluecluz.
This is absolutely the best phone on the market. I've had mine for a few months now and its the best phone I've ever had. (read more)
Written on: 16/06/2003 by David.
I got this Motorola V60 as a gift 2 weeks ago. Took about 2 days to get to know the features. I love the size of it, and the voicenote feature and auto voice dialing are great. I don't have too many complaints. For a non-web browsing phone (sends texts well) i'd recommend it to anyone. (read more)
Written on: 10/06/2003 by mike.
my antenna broke off after about 6 months. I thought that some crazy glue would just fix it b/c i didnt want to pay to send it in and be w/o my phone for 3 weeks but it didnt. I had to crazy glue it a couple of time and then i finally lost the antenna. Also, the clip should be done the other way, with the face of the phone facing towards the clip, not out. this way if u drop it, only the back gets scratched, not the front. But the antenna is really bad. I do not recommend this phone to... (read more)
Written on: 18/07/2003
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. MY ANTENNA BROKE AFTER A FEW MONTHS OF BUYING IT. WHAT A RIP OFF. AFTER I SENT IT IN TO GET FIXS IT BREAKS ABOUT 2 MONTHS LATER. MOTOROLA V60I ANTENNA SUCKS.
Written on: 07/06/2004
Motorola will fix broken antennas under warranty or out of warranty at no charge. I've had several customers take advatange of this.
Written on: 29/05/2003 by kym.
i've had this phone for 4 months and my antenna just snapped off. i wasn't aware of the bad antenna's prior to purchasing this phone- but after i got it EVERYONE that i knew that knew someone with this phone told me about how their antenna snapped off. Knowing this, i was very cautious with my phone and always took it out of my pocket when i sat down also. The antenna always made a little clicky noise with the slightest touch- which warned me that it was about to break. So it finally broke... (read more)
Written on: 24/02/2003 by Sfish.
One drop and my phone is ruined. The antenna broke along with another piece that holds the antenna. I've visited 3 places and nobody can fix it. Owned a Nokia for 2 years without a problem. Owned this piece of junk for 3 weeks. (read more)
Written on: 11/03/2003
Why dont you bring the phone to Motorola Shop? I have a motorola V60 for 1 yr+, dropped many times, not one scratch. It might be the way you handle your phone. Might be a good idea to bring to a LICENSED MOTOROLA SHOP.
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<br>I have had many nokia phones, all kena broke within 6 months. Motorola is still the best in terms of reliability and durability.
Written on: 23/02/2003 by ulysses.
I purchased this phone from t-mobile as a replacement for my lost moto-c332 for 279.99. The price was a huge drawback when I received the phone, and it wasn't as jam packed as the cheaper c332 (100.00 with a $50.00 rebate-features built in microbrowser, itap, replaceable faceplates, polyphonic ringtones, bright backlit black and white screen with 4 different shades of black, super tiny). The only difference between the 2 was the v60 had a built in radio (which you would have to pay for... (read more)
Written on: 18/01/2003 by j-bOi.
Overall this is the worst phone ever made. There are only some good things about this phone but it is not worth buying because you pay too much and do not get a good composer, good games, or even a good price. (read more)
Written on: 27/02/2003
I work at Future Shop, and I have seen many happy customers with this phone. I also see it on the street everyday in a lot of people's hands, and not one person has complained to me about it.
Written on: 17/01/2003 by JlOOPO.
Antenna broke. Do not carry this phone in your pocket .. i guess if you attach it to your belt (and look like a geek) it probably can get avoided (read more)
Written on: 28/02/2003
I repair the motorola v60 antenna bases. I'll fix for 35 dollars US. Email me at mmccool650@msn.com
Written on: 13/01/2003 by Greg.
It is liking playing catch to open this phone when it rings. Unlike other models, there is nothing to grab on to. (read more)
Written on: 11/01/2003 by NJJ.
I have owned 2 StarTac's (7867 & 7868w) 270c V60c and T-720...this phone has out performed them all...best phone for business...no dropped calls...great reception ...excellent clarity...all my features work with no problems...problem with phones are not always the phone...sometimes it's the wireless carrier... (read more)
Written on: 15/01/2003
I agree with NJJ, I read his review and checked out the phone. I liked it so much I purchase one. Thanks NJJ
Written on: 27/04/2003
Need a subsidy code for qwest or how to find the imei number on this phone please help..will pay for code of the phone
Written on: 02/01/2003 by Carol.
The Motorola V60 is a great phone but just doesn't have all the accessories I would like to have with it. (read more)
Written on: 17/02/2003
You can purchase new covers for the motorola v60 I saw them at a mall vendor in Ohio you can also get new ring tones but you can't download them you have to buy the tone you want and type it into your phone maually
Written on: 29/12/2002 by angela.
I really like the phone. I just wish I knew if it could download things or not. (read more)
Written on: 21/12/2002 by Job.
The calendar is sucked beleive me if you haven't tried it yet please do and you'll hate this phone like me. It would NOT alarm at when you schedule it to do! and the sound or duration is only one time. You can't even noticed it. (read more)
Written on: 21/12/2002 by JLEE.
Overall, not a bad phone, but it does have some disadvantage to it. (read more)
Written on: 18/12/2002 by John Burke.
The Motorola V60 mobile phone is a good purchase. (read more)
Written on: 29/01/2003
This phone is the best. I used to have a v70 and after i got a new contract i got the v60i. You get your monies worth
Written on: 18/12/2002 by WJS.
Motorola designers failed on the antenna base design. There's no beef to the structure. Antenna can easily snap off. Motorola should recall this phone. (read more)
Written on: 05/12/2002 by Phil.
I purchased this phone after my Nokia 3330 got sold and overall it's not a bad phone, but far from a great one. Looks alone, it wins hands down and there's none of the plastic creaking or poorly fitting housings, it's just solid alloy shells. The interface is a leap forward compared to older Motorolas but many steps are needed to get places. Thank god you can customise menus and add your own shortcuts to ease some of the pain. The big downside is the messaging system. It just reeks compared... (read more)
Written on: 27/11/2002 by matt.
This a great phone and well worth the money Can you help with any ring tomes? email at moonhead2004@aol.com (read more)
Written on: 20/11/2002 by Normdl.
This is the best mobile phone I've ever used and I've been using them for 9 years now. The V60i has great compactness and yet when open it is ergonomically on top of the pack. Reception and voice quality are tops. The only downside may be that it is not up to Nokia for 'entertainment features' and today many users are game, ringtone and logo freaks - so if you want to use this merely as an SMS mobile phone then it cannot be beaten. Go for it!! (read more)
Written on: 18/11/2002 by Ken Barrett.
I have had my V60i with AT&T Wireless for about 2 weeks. This was an upgrade from my old Nokia 3360. The reception seems better, which I think is due to the fact that the antenna is external rather than internal. It doesn't seem subject to interference from a hand holding the phone like the 3360. Voice dialing is a godsend. That has got to be my favorite feature. A built-in speaker phone would also be nice. The voice recorder is handy for recording calls to 411. When you're in the car... (read more)
Written on: 11/11/2002 by Tom.
I'm an aircraft mechanic. After my first antenna broke off I thought I would fix the problem for good by applying some semi-hardening jet fuel tank sealant around the antenna base to keep it from flexing. Guess what: the material doesn't stick to the antenna (even though it sticks to almost any other material known to man) and the new antenna still broke off! An email to Motorola with the specific complaint resulted in a form-letter response that didn't relate to my experience at all -... (read more)
Written on: 18/11/2002
What is this bloke on. How can you possibly complain that some obscure glue won't stick to your phone?
Written on: 19/11/2002
ok, it's not the glue I'm complaining about. Do I really have to explain that? This is a lesson to me to never post reviews directly following a conversation with the manufacturer of the product you are complaining about. Wait for the blood pressure to subside a little. The fact of the matter is I'm on my fourth antenna, Motorola will not provide warranty consideration, and I've tried to remedy the situation with some advanced adhesives. I've learned the antenna is not meant to ever remain fixed. I asked the representative at Motorola if the antenna was designed to be too easily broken so they can continue to have a revenue stream after the initial sale, much like the very expensive ink for the otherwise inexpensive ink-jet computer printers we all know about. He didn't deny it. He also didn't provide warranty on it. He did offer to let me send the phone in to have them repair it (for a fee!) but I declined fearing the fix would be worse than the malady. So I've been posting this information on as many websites as I can find so others don't fall into Motorola's antennas-for-revenue trap.
Written on: 20/11/2002
I think you should be more careful in using the handphone. Why does the antenna keep breaking off? Depends on how you take care of your hp and if you are very careless person.
Written on: 30/11/2002
I could see that flimsy little antenna being broken at least once a month. If the antenna was internal, it would be a much better phone.
Written on: 10/12/2002
I must agree that the antenna was poorly designed. It is very easy to snap it off and there are no replacements. The one comment made about being more carefull must be from someone that just bought the phone. I would not recomMend the phone regardless of how nice the other features are.
Written on: 23/12/2002
Huh? Had mine for a year and haven't broken one antenna. These are very small cell phones, not Army Field Phones.
Written on: 06/01/2003
I agree with the first guy. These antennae are horrible. I have had mine for 6 months and am on my 3rd antenna. And I don't abuse my phone it literally will break off if you pick up the phone the wrong way.
Written on: 18/01/2003
I totally agree with the antenna sucking situation. I've had my phone for about 5 months and I just sent my phone in for a 3rd time to get fixed and they charge me every damn time, and it broke from me just clipping it on and off my belt clip
Written on: 18/01/2003
I agree that this is a poorly designed product and should be recalled because of the antenna. I have broken two so far and am aware of 3 other people that have had 1 or multiple incidents of their antenna breaking off. I would not recommend this product. I replaced a StarTac with this model and thought that I was upgrading. The StarTac was a better product.
Written on: 20/01/2003
Guy's, I feel your pain. DPSmith, great explanation and 2nd explanation. My attempt at repairing it yielded similar results. So much for the "army field phone". The unit is poorly designed as the mounting material for the screw in antenna is plastic instead of metal. I also blame the design of the belt clip, it forces you to use the backside of where the antenna is located to unclip the phone and is inciting (amplifying) the problem. I would guesstimate that a clip redesign would be much more advantageous to Motorola than the loss in initial sales revenue or worse, a redesign of the phone itself causing 2nd generation ownership issue's. Worst case, Motorola should have made the antenna tip to fail before the casing did.
It looks like I will be replacing my new "expensive" phone with some other manufacturer's. best regards
Written on: 22/01/2003
Ok 4 times a charm. You can buy the repair kit from a Verizon store for $9 and fix it yourself in about 5 minutes. I figured this out after sending it in for repairs 3 times.
Written on: 27/01/2003
That's correct, I bought a replacement antenna ($10)and installed. Seems to be a much better design. You will need a T6 torx head tip to remove the 4 screws. If a T6 is not avail take a pointed exacto blade with handle and snip the end of the blade off until it fits securely into the torx screw. good luck
Written on: 08/08/2003
Antenna design is horrible; replaced frequently. My biggest gripe: while the antenna is broken, phone doesn't work, and I need it working 24/7.
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<br>Short term fix: take an old screw/mount (which the antenna has broken off of), unscrew it from the phone and solder a 3 inch insulated wire to it (solder wire to the broken metal stub of the old antenna). Tape that to your belt clip and you have an instant 'spare' antenna with your phone at all times. Works like a charm but looks funny using a wire instead of OEM antenna.
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<br>Long term fix: save my pennies and buy a better-designed phone the next time I need one.
Written on: 20/10/2002 by Astrobuf.
When my Motorola V60 mobile phone was new, the reception was great. After about 8 months, the reception tanked. Friends who have the same phone get better reception.
AT&T replaced my original phone under warranty, however the replacement (a rebuilt phone) performed no better than did my aged original. I think there may be some sort of internal failure that has to do with the open/close mechanism. This may not be repaired when the phones are rebuilt. Perhaps a flex circuit slowly degrades?
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Written on: 29/09/2002 by mslpilot.
I got one of the first Motorola V60i models out. Very cool seeing it on the new TV shows. Love playing the games on flights and telling the flight attendants it's a PDA. I wear it under my helmet riding my motorcycle, listening to the MP3's. Nice having voice recognition, voice notes, voice menu shortcuts! The reception doesn't seem as good as my Startac digital. I'm health care professional and never use my beepers anymore. Love the text messaging, no need to retrieve voice messages from my... (read more)
Written on: 04/10/2002
I was just wondering what the difference is between the v60 and v60i? or any other v60's?
Written on: 05/01/2003
The v60c is the CDMA version, which my carrier is not, thus I'm not familiar with it. I believe it has a pull-out antennae, which is fragile and does not improve reception.
The v60i replaces the v60t, but is not better. The T has glass outside and inside lenses, with a dark carbon-fiber-look motif bezel under the glass- a very rich look. The I has plastic lenses with bright silver underneath- a cheap look. The I has replacable covers to personalize per your tastes, and this may help the appearance.
Written on: 18/09/2002 by Levi McKenzie.
My motorola v60 mobile phone is nice and gets good reception but it is not durable. One day it was raining and I had to walk to my truck and when I got in my truck from the 100 foot walk my phone no longer worked. Another thing is my antenna broke of one day when i went to answer it. It's a good phone but I'm already on my third one and I've only had it for two months (read more)
Written on: 05/09/2002 by Dustin Hicks.
I love my Motorola V60 mobile phone to death. I get bragging rights in cell phone talks. It does not have some of the stuff i want, but it is worth it to have this phone. I love this phone so much but i only ask for at&t to get better reception and service. (read more)
Written on: 13/08/2002 by huge29.
The antenna has broken off several times and Verizon nor Motorola will replace it under warranty. I have had several other phones and never ever had such a problem. The antenna is made of cheap material and it is not supported at all. (read more)
Written on: 16/08/2002
ok the antenna does break all the time but motorola was just using the spec verizon provided. Verizon wanted an extendible antenna. Well there you have it an breakable extendible antenna. Now Verizon does replace now which the warranty covers. I work for Verizon I do them All day
Written on: 16/08/2002
ok the antenna does break all the time but motorola was just using the spec verizon provided. Verizon wanted an extendible antenna. Well there you have it an breakable extendible antenna. Now Verizon does replace now which the warranty covers. I work for Verizon I do them All day
Written on: 02/10/2002
The antenna on my phone broke too but I have ATT they were of no help in getting it repaired either
Written on: 04/11/2002
You guys need to stop breaking your phones. I have had this phone for a while, and Ive never broken anything. be more careful, thats my advice, or buy insurance
Written on: 04/12/2002
I have the V60 with Verizon service. I'm not particularly rough with this phone and have had the antenna break off three times in six months. Verizon has charged me for each one--this is NOT (at least in NYC, as of 12/4/02) something covered by the phone insurance or any other plan.
I pay for the phone insurance and was told the insurance does not cover the antennas (and neither does Motorola's warranty).
Written on: 09/12/2002
My antenna broke on my phone after about 3 weeks. The people at verizon acted like it was my fault, as if $100 phones should break before their first month of use. They want to charge me $10 for a new one.
Written on: 21/12/2002
I have had a V60 for three months now, and it is the best cellular phone I have ever had. I fine it to be durable with excellent reception (in rural areas where I have never been able to get reception before). My current service provider is U.S. Cellular as I switched over from Verizon due to their poor customer support. Please don't blame Motorola for Verizon's pathetic customer service. I have found Verizon's supportive assistance to be terrible in all areas.
Written on: 16/01/2003
I've had this phone for about 7 months and I just got my 5th antenna today. The thing is, if you like the captain kirk look and wear your phone on your belt buckle you might not have a problem. But if you carry your phone in your pocket you will eventually break your antenna(s). One other side note, When I was in northern California and I broke the antenna, Verizon charged me 12 bucks for a new one, BUT now that I am in southern California the Verizons here fix it at no charge (Under warranty they say). Though they do note that have an out-of-area phone number they still replace it.
Written on: 02/08/2002 by Paolo.
The Motorola V60 is not as great as it appears. A mobile phone with a lot of show but little go. (read more)
Written on: 22/07/2002 by Shawn H.
The Motorola V60 is a very well endowed mobile phone. Sleek and not bulky like some of the other phones out there. Always thought motorolas were P.O.S. but I was wrong about the v60 - well worth the money and the time to get to know the phone, easy access phone book. The voice dial is superb and can store upto a 5 second name on the voice activated feature and almost always recognizes the name. Great phone book and Just all around Gorgeous. But sleekness and composure dosen't come cheap.... (read more)
Written on: 22/07/2002 by PingPong.
I have had the Motorola V60t mobile phone (from AT&T) for about three months. Love and Hate it. My biggest complaint is the Volume. You can't turn it up loud enough. Headset does not help either. I have tried six different head sets (with and without volume control) to try to get some more volume out of it. And of course the volume is turned up all the way. Called AT&T first and complained. They could do nothing. So I called Motorola. They said the phone was designed that way to provide a... (read more)
Written on: 21/12/2002
My calendar sucked too, wake me up with a low level of alarm noise but wrong time. Can not complain to anyone just let you know that the alarm sucked.
Written on: 17/07/2002 by Jessica Tan.
I actually got this Motorola V60 mobile phone free when I subscribed to SCV program sometime last November. At that time, it was not sold in the market yet. I was quite proud to have it before it was advertised in the newspapers in Singapore. I quite like the phone, especially with a lot of functions, which 'til now, I still cannot figure out all the feature. (read more)
Written on: 01/07/2002 by Mike.
The Motorola V60 is a funky little mobile phone, I really like the fact it is so robust and solid. The keypad, tho small is easy to use and menus are, generally, well laid out and adaptable. It really bugs me though that it won't ring and vibrate at the same time; the vibrate seems to go on for several seconds and then it diverts to voicemail within the first few rings. Overall pretty good though. Once it's released in the US I think we'll see some updates. (read more)
Written on: 27/06/2002 by Slartybartfast.
What a fantastic mobile phone this motorola V60 is! It looks great, it sends text and has good reception. Considering that's all I want from a phone this one's top dog! I got mine for free with a £25 monthly line charge deal (also with 150 mins anytime any network and 50 text) so the high price tag of this phone means little to me. (read more)
Written on: 24/06/2002 by Bobby.
This Motorola V60 mobile phone is great. The reception is nice and you hardly ever drop calls. Definitely recommended. (read more)
Written on: 21/06/2002 by lzydog.
The Motorola V60 is the mobile phone i like. It's vodafone which is giving the service to me. (read more)
Written on: 16/06/2002 by Chris.
I was really lucky as this Motorola v60 mobile phone came free with my contract for only £8 a month. I really like the case and the voice activation actually works!!! (read more)
Written on: 01/06/2002 by Steve.
I have come to understand that size and looks are not the be all and end all of a great mobile phone. Whilst the Motorola V60 is the best looking flip on the market its functionality lacks somewhat. I am amazed that there is no alarm clock on the phone considering the price I paid. On the plus side the things that phones are designed for like making and receiving calls are handled very well by the handset. The quality of reception is excellent. To conclude :- If you want to look good buy a... (read more)
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175403_Fredddd's Response to woodeye's Review
Written on: 29/10/2004
My solution to the V60 antenna problem is this: remove the back cover. Remove the old antenna base. Take a piece of wire from your home stereo speaker, strip off 1/2 inch of the insulation so you see the copper strands. Mess up the copper strands so they look like spaghetti. Shove the mess into the nice gold colored area where the antenna base used to be. Loop the wire so that when you put the back cover back on it captures the wire. about 4 inches is an optimal length to have sticking out when you're done. This arrangement lasts two to six months depending on how much I use the phone. It takes me less than 5 minutes to make another antenna when my home-built ones eventually break through too much bending around. I get 5 bars now with my home-built antenna where I used to get 3 with the original antenna. I resorted to this after my 3rd antenna purchase for this phone. I treated it like the $400 jewel it was, yet I still found broken antennas very frequently.