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By a124sparky on 15th Jan 2006

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Apparently a 15 year old boy is brain dead because he took a Beretta pellet gun to school and was shot by a SWAT officer in the school bathroom when he raised the weapon at the officer and the officer felt it to be a real weapon. I own a real Beretta 92FS and know that this weapon has the capability of firing several accurately placed rounds in just a few seconds. Police officers sometimes only have a couple of seconds to evaluate a situation and to sell a pellet gun that is so realistic looking can only lead to more occurances such as this one.

21 Comments on Review by a124sparky for Beretta 92 FS

1. hotsky on 20th Jan 2006

   What does this has to do with a review for the beretta CO2 gun? This is NOT a news forum!
   
   15 year olds couldn't legally own a CO2 pistol, so don't blame the gun blame the people who gave it to him.

2. a124sparky on 25th Jan 2006

   A review is basically an opinion and I'll stand by mine. How he got the gun isn't the issue here. The fact that trained police officers couldn't quickly tell if it was real or not is. The 92 has several features that make it easily recognizable and when comparing the pellet gun to a real Beretta, especially when it's being pointed at you, it looks real. Now a SWAT officer has to deal with shooting and killing a 15 year old boy for the rest of his life. I couldn't care less if you didn't like what I posted as a review. What does concern me is your lack of compassion for a dead kid. If you don't like what I'm saying, get me kicked off your board, makes no difference to me. My opinion is my opinion.

3. hotsky on 25th Jan 2006

   I don't know the details on this story, and not sure that you do.... So who are blaming for this? the gun? manufacturers?
   
   I ask; why would a 15 year old bring a CO2 gun to school? Was he a drug dealer, gang member? and why did the police/Swat shoot him? Did he point the gun at them/threaten to kill someone? Or did the officer shot the kid for no reason?
   
   Like I said before 15 year old couldn't legally own a CO2 pistol, someone had to give it or (illegally) sell it him...
   
   He made a choice to bring the gun to school and the police/swat made the choice to shoot him. Tragic yes, but this is not the CO2 guns fault!
   
   Now you call your comment a review and give the gun a 0, how can you review something you don't own or have never even used?
   
   
   By the way there are few distinct differences between the CO2 Beretta and the real gun...

4. DaaaveP on 3rd Apr 2006

   Hmm, let's think about this one.
   
   - 15 year old illegally obtains a C02 pistol used for personal training/responsible plinking.
   
   - He then takes it to school, holds a kid hostage in the bathroom and has everyone assuming that he's using a 9mm handgun to hold an innocent kid at gunpoint.
   
   - Officer makes the decision to shoot him because he assumes he's going to shoot his hostage.
   
   Now, how would that be ANY different had he been holding any other "gun", whether it be an airsoft gun or a .45?
   
   
   The point is, he illegally obtained a C02 pistol, used it in a way that it definately wasn't meant for, held a kid hostage, pretended he was going to shoot said hostage, and then a SWAT officer did his job.
   Do you honestly think that they would have been able to tell the difference if it was a plastic Desert Eagle airsoft gun?

5. type0 on 18th Apr 2006

   I agree.
   
   If a kid steals the keys for the family car and kills several pedestrians with it. Who is to blame? The car? The manufacturer of the car? The parents? The Kid?
   
   I tell you. NOT the car. NOT the manufacturer of the car. But the parents of the kids and the kid. Nothing else.
   
   It's like saying "A kid brought a knife to school and stabbed fellow classmates to death. Therefore we shall make knifes illegal in this country. Even though there are millions of responsible knife owners out there."
   
   I am not defying your pacifism. But i strongly disagree with your methods of bringing out your pacifism.

6. a124sparky on 29th Apr 2006

   Fine, you win. Even though you don't understand. And I'm not a pacifist. I own a Baretta 92FS with 6 15 round mags and 2 10 round mags. What I oppose is non-lethal objects that look similar enough to the real thing that it gets kids killed. Make all the excuses you want, you obviously don't care. It's not a matter that the kid got it or how he got or he shouldn't have got it.

7. Colonel Chimp on 30th Apr 2006

   You know, it is your kind of reaction, and lack of actual thought about what you are saying, that gets all the law abiding gun users a bad name, yeah sure the kid being shot is very sad, no one denies that, no one is arguing that, the point is, that the kid through his actions decided his own fate, no one, after saying they will shoot, should expect not get shot after pointing anything at an armed officer, the officer has to react quickly in a split second to save his life and the life of bystanders, and on this occassion, the hostage child, if it was a plastic water pistol, or a banana, or just his pointed finger, the kid would still have got shot, the facts are , that in that situation, ANYTHING that may remotely resemble a gun,(and remember here that not all guns are big black shiny metal things! ) has to be neutralised, so what the kid had in his hand and how real looking it was has little or no bearing, and you blaming the object and not the person is just plain stupid and irresponsible, and so typical of people who just don't think things through. If i attacked you with a feather pillow and suffocated you, no one would blame the pillow, because a pillow is just not seen as a weapon, because everybody has one and understands what it is SUPPOSED to be used for, so they would automatically think that I was the crack pot, and rightly blame me. If everyone had guns the same farmiliarity would bring the same conclusion about this and other incidents when crazys get hold of guns. After all in switzerland, everyone has an intimate knowledge of guns through national service, and almost every house has at least one gun in it, and guess what they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world, and almost no incidents involving guns! But here and in other coutries, because guns of anyshape or form have been criminalised by ill informed and unthought out irrational comments like yours, people now automatically think all guns are bad, and anyone who shows an interest in them is automatically a ticking nut job time bomb! I am sick of people blaming the gun for the worlds woes, and blindly avoiding the fact that like a hammer or a screwdriver, or a feather pillow, it is a tool, meant for a job, and anyone who uses it for something sinister other than it's intended purpose, is the one at fault, NOT the gun, or screwdriver, or feather pillow! Now something to think about before you go on about the evils of guns and things that look like guns, your freedom is preserved by people who carry guns, these people are using the gun for defensive purposes, so by your thinking, this means the gun is a good thing, as in your thinking the people have no input on the guns actions, one thing i do agree with however, is the sad fact that the officer for the rest of his life will have to deal with shooting a kid, but hopefully he has support and he should realise that is not his fault, he acted properly, i wish he could read this and realise, that no one will hold him responsible for the childs death, and my heart goes out to him, it must be a terrible thing to bear, i wish he knew that the kid really gave him no choice and in fact you could say the kid killed himself the second his warped mind thought about holding another kid hostage, and illegaly took the air pistol, and then pointed it at the officer, plainly something was wrong with that kid from the start, but people like you seem to have missed this most vital point in your rush to point the finger of blame at the gun. So how about you try something new today, and THINK before you go trying to make a point!

8. hotsky on 2nd May 2006

   Also let's not forget that airgun is not a water pistol, it can still injur someone. There has been many cases where people got hurt, lost their vision or even died after being shot by an airgun - if used in wrong hands (just like anything else) they're not harmless by any means.

9. sgt gunman on 12th May 2006

   1. the beretta co2 is a real gun that fires pellets instead of live rounds 2. its capable of causing injury 3. if the police knew it was co2 gun they WOULD still shoot you.

10. dwarf on 26th May 2006

    Although I think the initial poster here is an idiot for the way he wrote his post but I have to agree with something he has said. The 92FS is a very popular model of weapon and is easily recognized as a threat. It is for this reason that I think i wouldn't buy an airsoft/pellet gun that resembled it due to the likelihood of its realism. In fact, I found this thread while researching 92FS because I am planning on buying a real 9mm 92FS for personal safety. Coincidentally, the reason why I am choosing the 92FS for defense is because it's recognisable, so that if I have to use it or brandish it, it will not be mistaken as a toy. Also, for the record, I don't really care who died doing what with a gun, it doesn't matter to me, but if it matters to you, take into consideration what I've said.

11. Colonel Chimp on 26th Jun 2006

    Hi Dwarf, so what point were you trying to make exactly? As what you have written is a bit confusing, first you wouldn't buy a 92f replica or airsoft /pellet gun because they look real, and so are a threat, but then you say you are going to buy a real one, exactly because it is threatening, so you can then use or brandish it for self defence! Then you say you don't care about who died doing what, so I am confused as to what your comment is actually about!

12. DaaaveP on 28th Jun 2006

    Because the pellet gun could be mistaken for a real gun if he's out plinking. Who wants to be out plinking in their back yard, and then have 5 cop cars show up to shoot you because a neighbor mistook it for a real gun?
    
    This gun should never be used for self defense, it's not powerful enough to take out someone with a real gun. So having a gun as widely recognized as the Beretta, a person breaking into his house will see, and know he has a real gun, and will most likely be shot by it soon after :)

13. Colonel Chimp on 30th Jun 2006

    AHHHH yes I see what you mean - all is clear now, thanks for that,

14. sgt gunman on 30th Jun 2006

    1. The Beretta co2 pistol is a real gun that fires (pellets)
    2. If the policeman knew it was a co2 pistol he WOULD of still shot him (although he might of just shot him once in the leg)

15. type0 on 24th Jan 2007

    I think we have gone a little bit off-topic on this one.
    
    The "legalize or ban" question has nothing to do with an actual review of the gun. That topic may be better placed in the shooting forums here on Review Centre.
    
    I live in Norway where there are a lot of restrictions on guns. To own a gun you have to be at least 21 years old, and you have to pass a safety test after a minimum six months of membership in some form of shooting club. (Rifles and shotguns can be obtained legally by anyone over 16 years of age after they get the hunting licence).
    
    So I own a series of revolvers and semi automatics. I also have a couple of airguns and CO guns. There are no restrictions on airguns according to Norwegian law, but you have to be 18 or older to buy one. There is no restriction as to where you can use them, but it's smart to do the shooting in remote areas away from other people. (The woods, backyard etc).
    
    If airguns should be legal or illegal... well... that question belongs in a gun restriction debate, rather than a review forum.
    
    If I opened my handgun safe and loaded it, went out the door and shot 3 - 4 random pedestrians. Does this mean that Beretta is an unethical manufacturer? Or that their guns suck? Not at all.
    That is why I disagree with the author of this review.

16. a124sparky on 24th Jan 2007

    TypeO,
    Where did I ever say that Beretta was an unethical gun maker or that guns suck? My point was having toy guns, a CO2 versus a real 92 is indeed a toy, that looks real enough to fool the police is a bad deal. Dwarf got it, even though he called me an idiot??? I guess I don't know what you feel when you hold one of these in your hands, do you think it's the real thing? What do your kids feel when they hold one? Do you even see my point or am I just talking to the wind? Does the fact that a cop sees a pellet gun as a real gun and kills someone concern you at all or are you more concerned with you hobby?
    
    Believe me, I'm not an anti-gun advocate as I own about 6 now, but I'm also concerned when kids get killed when they're carrying a toy gun. Don't get me wrong, I realize that a CO2 pistol can do some damage, but a 9mm will do a lot more.

17. type0 on 24th Jan 2007

    By giving the gun a bad review based on some violent incidents, you are blaming the actuall 92 brand for these incidents. That's what i mean.
    
    Why don't i just give a car a bad review from the hospital after getting hit by one?
    
    Get it?

18. a124sparky on 26th Jan 2007

    Well, if you were in the hospital after getting hit by a car, you were probably hit by a real car, not a toy one. I'm not trying to shine a bad light on the 92, it is an excellent weapon. But that's what it is, a weapon. What I'm against is makers of toy guns that make a gun that's almost identical to the real one. You don't get it now and you probably never will. I gave the pellet gun a bad review not because of performance charistics of the gun, but because of what could happen if a person that has one tries to show it as a real weapon. A few years back a guy in this area held up a gas station with a BB gun that looked very similar to a Colt 45. He would up spending prison time for it, he could have would up being shot if the clerk had a weapon and challenged him.
    
    Get it? You probably don't.

19. Colonel Chimp on 26th Jan 2007

    Hi sparky, like others i think we have gone way off on the review here, i understand what you are trying to say, about realism and possible mix ups that, that could cause, and if a kid was in the street someone could without thinking take it for a real gun, yes this i undertsand, and a rational person or copper, would then think ok...child ....gun...is it going bang...NO...so probably not a real gun, or empty........is he a thug.(small kid)..NO. so it is probably a toy or airgun.........(gang in hoodys maybe)...don't know with the gangs.........is he just messing around...Kid...probably ....... (Gang with hoodys)....maybe..maybe not.....i will give him a slap/caution/telling off/or arrest him/them.........delete as appropriate, after all lets get real here, kids are kids, and i played war all the time, up in the woods, or the back garden, and yes even in the street outside my house, i was a kid playing and didn't really do much thinking about what i was doing, none of us did, no kid will ever.
    
    but i have to say this about your petrol station hold up scenario, regardless of weather the gun is real, realistic, a toy or a stick, or even a banana in someones pocket, pretending it is a gun,
    
    IF SOMEONE uses it for ANY purpose other than that for which it was made and intended, ESPECIALLY in the act of commiting a criminal offence, it is the PERSON who is at fault, the gun, stick or banana are not even in the equation, real or not lifelike or not, if it is used in a manner for which you could be shot, then bingo, that person has that kind of brain, and you just know if they could get a real gun they would, and then the station attEndant would be dead! and so in my book, let em get whats coming, if they weren't there, trying to hold up a petrol station, or rob a house, or scare people with their assumed weapon, the situation would never arise and they would not be in any danger, remember this always
    IT IS THE SICK MIND THAT PERVERTS OR MIS-USES ANYTHING WHICH TO OTHERS WHO ARE NORMAL SEE AND USE SAFELY OR NORMALLY after all you can kill someone with a bag of feathers, if you have a mind to!
    
    Now lets get back to reviews and not views

20. hazyworld on 25th Mar 2008

    While sparky is making a valid point about the danger of carrying any replica weapon in public (including a plastic knife or water pistol for example) it should not affect what is primarily a revue of the object (namely the Beretta pistol) and to give it a zero would mean that every weapon, wether a replica or not, should get a zero due to the fact that cemetaries are full of people who have provoked a lethal response by there use.
    
    I am in no way condoning the actions of the child but this action was his bad judgement and cannot be held as a reason to diminish the quality of the product.
    
    Would sparky agree that his own weapons (replicas or not) should all recieve a zero as there have cases where all weapons been used in the death of someone? Would he also grant a zero to his stock of kitchen knives because a similar one was used to stab someone?
    
    Good point but badly made and in the wrong place. Save your judgement for shooting forums.

21. Milrose on 16th Jun 2008

    I found this review unhelpful because it is not a review of the Pellet Pistol.

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